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Not yet totally convinced it was a blown call. The example the OP refers to (which, BTW, was from the "Digest of Rules", not the real rulebook) is in a punting situation, where there is a defined "offense" and "defense", and the ball is put into play with a snap. Kickoffs are weird in that there is no "offense" or "defense", just "kicking" and "receiving", and of course there is no snap.

Of course "not blown" != "makes sense and rule should not be changed"
 
Muff or not, once the Colts player touched it, it's a live ball with their possession. It would be no different than a player who touched the ball for an on side kick and doesn't keep it..

Since it was a kickoff it was a live ball once it crossed the NE 45, whether or not anyone touched it. Also, the Colts never possessed the ball. And kickoffs have weird rules (compared to scrimmage plays), so it really wouldn't surprise me at all if the rules re: impetus are different there than an on a punt.

That said, I think the rule should be changed if that really, by rule, was not a safety.
 
Not yet totally convinced it was a blown call. The example the OP refers to (which, BTW, was from the "Digest of Rules", not the real rulebook) is in a punting situation, where there is a defined "offense" and "defense", and the ball is put into play with a snap. Kickoffs are weird in that there is no "offense" or "defense", just "kicking" and "receiving", and of course there is no snap.

Of course "not blown" != "makes sense and rule should not be changed"

Safety is defined in the official 2013 rules (all I could find) as below. As far as I can tell, there is nothing different about a safety on a kick-off. The question seems to be which team provided the momentum into the end zone (intent is immaterial).
Section 29 Safety
SAFETY
A Safety is the situation in which the ball is dead on or behind a team’s own goal line provided:
(a) the impetus (3-15-3) came from a player of that team;
(b) it is not a touchdown (11-2).
MOMENTUM
Note: It is not a safety if a defensive player in the field of play intercepts a pass; catches or recovers a fumble, backward pass, scrimmage kick, free kick, or fair catch kick and his original momentum carries him into his end zone where the ball is declared dead in his team’s possession. Instead the ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the ball was intercepted, caught or recovered. (11-5-1 Exc. 2)
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2013 - Rule Book.pdf
 
Right, but the question I have is whether or not attribution of impetus is different on kickoffs than on scrimmage plays.
 
Right, but the question I have is whether or not attribution of impetus is different on kickoffs than on scrimmage plays.
Anything is certainly possible but I cannot find such an exception.
IMPETUS
Article 3 Impetus is the action of a player that gives momentum to the ball and sends it in touch.
The Impetus is attributed to the offense except when the ball is sent in touch through a new momentum when the defense
muffs a ball which is at rest, or nearly at rest, or illegally bats:
(a) a kick or fumble;
SUPPLEMENTAL NOTE
The impetus is always attributed to the offense, unless the defense creates a new force that sends the ball behind its own
goal line by muffing a ball which is at rest or nearly at rest, or by illegally batting or illegally kicking a ball (3-16-3).
A.R. 11.17 Second-and-10 on A6. Quarterback A1 throws a backward pass which is batted by defensive B1. The ball goes out of
bounds behind the goal line.
Ruling: Safety. Legal bat and no change of impetus.
A.R. 11.18 B1 muffs a punt on his 5-yard line. In attempting to recover, he forces the ball (new impetus) into his end zone. See 3-15-
3.
a) where he recovers and is downed there.
Ruling: Safety.
 
The ball had stopped moving at the 1 yard line right? So any movement of the ball from that point is adding new impetus, the Colts fumbled it once or twice trying to pick it up then kicked it into the end zone.

100% a Safety, it was a 9 point swing but in the end it didn't matter.
 
OK, everything I've read supports the idea that it WAS a safety -- not because the receiving team touched the ball in the field of play but because they very clearly provided the force that propelled it into the endzone. A rare circumstance, but a definite blown call. I'm still looking for a video to get a sense of how visible the kick was in real time.

(Aside from this significant gaffe, IMO the officials called a nice game.)
 
In this case, a Colts player, while trying to pick up the ball that was not in the end zone, and further that was no longer moving toward the end zone,

indisputably provided the impetus for the ball to go into the end zone by accidentally contacting it with his foot.

It was not an intentional/illegal kicking, but by rule it doesn’t have to be. He provided the force, the impetus, for the ball to end up where it did.

Seems rock-solid airtight to me.

Safety.
 
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/safety2

It sure looked like the Colts provided the impetus by kicking the ball into the end zone after the impetus of the kick had been stopped on the field by the receiving team.
Safety
The important factor in a safety is impetus. Two points are scored for the opposing team when the ball is dead on or behind a team’s own goal line if the impetus came from a player on that team.

Examples of Safety:
(d) Player on receiving team muffs punt and, trying to get ball, forces or illegally kicks (creating new impetus) it into end zone where it goes out of the end zone or is recovered by a member of the receiving team in the end zone.

Maybe because it wasn't a punt?
 
The punt is used as one EXAMPLE. That doesn't mean in any way that it has to be a punt.
 
If the ball was bouncing on the ground and moving toward the end zone when the Colts player accidentally kicked it, a touchback would be appropriate.

But the ball was stationary, at rest, and then he alone provided the impetus for the ball to go where it did.
 
Here's the quote from the actual rulebook (my emphasis):

Rule 3 section 15 article 3:
The Impetus is attributed to the offense except when the ball is sent in touch through a new momentum when the defense muffs a ball which is at rest, or nearly at rest, or illegally bats:
(a) a kick or fumble;
(b) a backward pass after it has struck the ground;
(c) or illegally kicks any ball (12-4-3).

So I'm now thinking the refs inexplicably missed that the ball had stopped and were thinking it was still moving from the kick. Especially because the ref started off his explanation with "By rule..." which leads me to think he thought the ball was still moving from the kick, contacted a Colt, then went into the endzone before being covered by the Colts -- which would in fact be a touchback.
 
I definitely thought it was a safety.

Because it was, By the rule, it was a safety, end of story. And that's how it's literally always been (correctly) called, right up until yesterday.

Belichick was going nuts (for him) too, surprised he didn't throw a challenge flag just to force the ref to rewatch that play a dozen times then come back and confirm the terrible call.
 
Also, I don't remember the Colt player in the End Zone trying to "down it."
 
Also, I don't remember the Colt player in the End Zone trying to "down it."

Not necessary. Players get tackled in the EZ occasionally (after a pick is probably most common) and it is still a touchback if he hadn't come out yet.
 
I am a high school official and I can tell you the high school rule which I believe is the same as in the NFL. The kick isn't over until either the ball goes out of bounds, the ball goes 10 yards and is recovered by the kicking team or the receiving team gains POSSESSION of the ball. The play last night was a muff because the receiving team hadn't gained possession of the ball until it was in the end zone which means it is a touchback. So officially the kick didn't end until possession was gained by the receiving team in the end zone which means it is a touchback. I don't like the rule either but that's what it is and I believe the ruling on the field was correct.
 
If the ball was bouncing on the ground and moving toward the end zone when the Colts player accidentally kicked it, a touchback would be appropriate.

But the ball was stationary, at rest, and then he alone provided the impetus for the ball to go where it did.

I'm not sure how the rule is effected whether the ball is moving or not, but every replay I've seen it looks to me like the ball is still in motion when he kicks it.
 
Seems like it was called correctly as Colts players knocked the ball back into their own end zone and recovered it, did not end up in a safety but as a touch-back because they didn't have clear possession of the ball until it was in their endzone. That's apparently the rule, which seems to have a few major holes in it:

With that rule, they could have just kicked/knocked it out of bounds and got a penalty on the Patriots.

Also its a completely different rule for punts which is crazy otherwise there would be no such think as a muffed punt fumble recovery as the Punt Returner never had clear possession of the ball.

I guess the difference is that on kickoffs they only start the clock when the receiving team clearly posses the ball and becomes live while on punts the clock starts on the snap as the ball is live on the snap.

But i still think the rule makes no sense and the ball should become live as soon as the receiving team touches the ball (not has clear possession) as like i said above: whats stopping the receiving team from knocking the ball out of bounds on a kickoff and getting a penalty on the kicking team? Just like a punt.

Seems like a strange loophole in the rules book that doesn't make much sense and at the time could have had a big impact on the game.

I saw this link of weird football rules, its an interesting read with some weird rules and some obvious ones tho. The conversion safety sounds ridiculous!! http://wlogblog.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/15-strange-things-that-can-technically-happen-in-football/

They had one interesting rule that was similar to above but its not really the same scenario, its basically what happens in Rugby where a player puts one foot out of bounds and catches the ball in bounds making the kick technically go out of bounds.

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This one is just brilliant. in a 2008 game against the Bills, Leon Washington of the Jets was back deep to receive a kickoff when he noticed that the kick was a little sloppy and headed towards the sideline. Washington knew, like most people do, that if the kickoff went out of bounds before he touched it, the Bills would be given a penalty for kicking out-of-bounds. And he knew it would be a big penalty, too; out-of-bounds kicks give the receiving team their choice of the ball at the place where it went out, or at the 40 yard line (which is almost always better). So Washington prepared to let the ball sail outside of the white lines.
As the ball got closer, however, he realized he’d slightly misjudged the kick. Or perhaps the wind had given it a slight nudge towards the center of the field. Either way, it was looking like it was going to bounce inside, and that was a very bad situation for Washington. At that point, he was back at his own eight yard line, and it seemed like his options were bleak. It was too late to call for a fair catch, and he wasn’t in a good position to attempt a run. If he didn’t touch the ball it might go out of bounds, but there was just as good a chance it would bounce back inwards, maybe even backwards, where some Buffalo player could down it at the five (UPDATE: My friend Chris astutely points out that I must have been thinking of a punt when I wrote this. On a kickoff, the ball is live after it has travelled ten yards, even if untouched by the receiving team, so letting it bounce would definitely not have been an option for Washington).
And then Washington remembered that there is more than one way for a ball to be declared “out of bounds.” It can go out on its own, of course. But it can also be ruled out if it touches a player who is already out of bounds. And while going out of bounds and coming back in is a big penalty (going out, coming back in and then touching the ball is an even bigger one), there’s nothing against the rules about going out and staying out. So Washington put his right foot on the sideline, making himself an out-of bounds player. Then with the rest of his body he leaned in as far as he could towards the field, and snatched the ball, making what would have been a perfectly legal kick that could have been downed deep in Jets territory an illegal out-of-bounds kick that the Jets would get almost all the way near midfield. It was a clever play worth 32 yards of field position, and it could have been worth as many as 40. And it didn’t require any running on Washington’s part at all.
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I am a high school official and I can tell you the high school rule which I believe is the same as in the NFL. The kick isn't over until either the ball goes out of bounds, the ball goes 10 yards and is recovered by the kicking team or the receiving team gains POSSESSION of the ball. The play last night was a muff because the receiving team hadn't gained possession of the ball until it was in the end zone which means it is a touchback. So officially the kick didn't end until possession was gained by the receiving team in the end zone which means it is a touchback. I don't like the rule either but that's what it is and I believe the ruling on the field was correct.

I stand corrected then. Thanks. :)
 
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