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You didn't assume. You lied.

I'd let it go if you stop calling me a liar. I'm sorry - I assumed that your reference of the study was in an attempt to undermine atheism. If it wasn't, I apologize. I can't think of any other reason you, given the other statements you've made in this thread, would reference it otherwise. I was most certainly not lying about anything.
 
I'd let it go if you stop calling me a liar. I'm sorry - I assumed that your reference of the study was in an attempt to undermine atheism. If it wasn't, I apologize. I can't think of any other reason you, given the other statements you've made in this thread, would reference it otherwise. I was most certainly not lying about anything.
You are however, trying to come up with reasons why it is okay for atheists to attack those who are religous based on your earlier post.

Deus is a wonderful poster, fair and knowledgeable all around. . However, You bradymanning did exactly as Deus was saying. Which is pretty much what certain posters in this thread has done with my posts.
 
I'd let it go if you stop calling me a liar. I'm sorry - I assumed that your reference of the study was in an attempt to undermine atheism. If it wasn't, I apologize. I can't think of any other reason you, given the other statements you've made in this thread, would reference it otherwise. I was most certainly not lying about anything.

I'll stop calling you a liar when you stop lying about my positions. First you claimed hyperbole, then you went with "assumption", when neither applied. As for undermining atheism, you're doing a bang up job of that all on your own.
 
You are however, trying to come up with reasons why it is okay for atheists to attack those who are religous based on your earlier post.

Deus is a wonderful poster, fair and knowledgeable all around. . However, You bradymanning did exactly as Deus was saying. Which is pretty much what certain posters in this thread has done with my posts.

Clearly, my points are not being understood, and I'm not getting anywhere. I've said my two cents.
 
I'll stop calling you a liar when you stop lying about my positions. First you claimed hyperbole, then you went with "assumption", when neither applied. As for undermining atheism, you're doing a bang up job of that all on your own.

Obviously I'm not going to change your mind or vice versa. I don't know why I thought I could have a productive debate with you on this issue, especially given your sick twists comment.
 
Obviously I'm not going to change your mind or vice versa. I don't know why I thought I could have a productive debate with you on this issue, especially given your sick twists comment.

If you'd wanted a productive debate, despite my obvious desire that this thread not devolve, you could have begun by not lying about what I was writing in my posts. We both know that not all atheists are militantly anti-religion, and you saw that I used your specific words of those who "wage war", so you knew what you were doing when you tried to widen the target of my post, and it wasn't just a mere hyperbolic statement.
 
If you'd wanted a productive debate, despite my obvious desire that this thread not devolve, you could have begun by not lying about what I was writing in my posts.

Deus, I was only reacting to things you did say. Sorry if I misconstrued. I honestly don't think any of my reactions were unreasonable, apparently, you disagree, though I don't feel like you've explained why. We can either move on or continue this via PM, I don't feel like wasting other people's time further.
 
Deus, I was only reacting to things you did say. Sorry if I misconstrued. I honestly don't think any of my reactions were unreasonable, apparently, you disagree, though I don't feel like you've explained why. We can either move on or continue this via PM, I don't feel like wasting other people's time further.
So you didn't see in this thread how my posts and Deus were twisted, misrepresented and belittled by some posters in this thread like yourself?

No one is trying to make atheist turn into believers. All I wanted was to be able to speak about my faith without being attacked,belittled, and having my posts misrepresented by those who believe opposite of what I believe.
 
All I wanted was to be able to speak about my faith without being attacked,belittled,...

OK I said I'd stop, but my point is not getting through.

Again, why speak your faith in so many football threads, as you have done? Is it because you feel the need to do so? If yes, then shouldn't an atheist have the same right? And how can an atheist have a conversation with you about your faith without you perceiving it as an "attack." Now, I agree larryo's tone was not appropriate. But you can't continually be surprised that your presence and style of posting derails threads. You are asking to opine without possibility of rebuke. This is a message board on the internet. That doesn't happen.

All I'm saying.
 
All I wanted was to be able to speak about my faith <insert any controversial topic here> without being attacked,belittled, and having my posts misrepresented by those who believe opposite of what I believe.

Just an fyi, this doesn't happen on the internet. Ever.
 
OK I said I'd stop, but my point is not getting through.

Again, why speak your faith in so many football threads, as you have done? Is it because you feel the need to do so? If yes, then shouldn't an atheist have the same right? And how can an atheist have a conversation with you about your faith without you perceiving it as an "attack." Now, I agree larryo's tone was not appropriate. But you can't continually be surprised that your presence and style of posting derails threads. You are asking to opine without possibility of rebuke. This is a message board on the internet. That doesn't happen.

All I'm saying.
Let me give you an example of how someone of opposing views could do so without attacking.

Let's say you were to post that you don't believe Divine intervention had anything to do with it and you felt it was simply the result of good coaching and a well prepared team. That would be an example of giving your opposing viewpoint without doing what the poster Larryo did with my post. Which was belittle it,twist it, and attack it.

Posters can disagree with other posters on a variety of issues, but the key to disagreeing is how the situation is approached and how it is done.

For instance you kept twisting words, and making stuff up on Deus because he had an opposing viewpoint. That's not right and should of been handled better that's all.
 
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Edgy? You either don't know what edgy means or don't get out and about around the Internet much if you think anything I've posted is edgy.

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Omaha Herald in 1877 said:
Stagecoach Etiquette
The best seat inside a stagecoach is the one next to the driver. You will have to ride with
back to the horses, which with some people produces an illness not unlike seasickness,
but in a long journey this will wear off, and you will get more rest with less than half
the bumps and jars than on any other seat.… [When anyone] who traveled thousands of miles on
coaches offers, through sympathy, to exchange his back or middle seat with you, don’t do it …
Bathe your feet before starting in cold weather and wear loose overshoes and gloves two or three
sizes too large. When the driver asks you to get off and walk, do it without grumbling. He will
not request it unless absolutely necessary. If a team runs away, sit still and take your chances; if
you jump, nine times out of ten you will be hurt. In very cold weather abstain entirely from
liquor while on the road; a man will freeze twice as quick while under its influence. Don’t growl
at food at stations; stage companies generally provide the best they can get. Don’t keep the stage
waiting; many a virtuous man has lost his character by so doing. Don’t smoke a strong pipe
inside especially early in the morning; spit on the leeward side of the coach. If you have anything
to take in a bottle, pass it around; a man who drinks by himself in such a case is lost to all human
feeling. Provide stimulants before starting; ranch whiskey is not always nectar. Be sure and take
two heavy blankets with you; you will need them. Don’t swear, nor lop over onto your neighbor
when sleeping. Don’t ask how far it is to the next station until you get there. Take small change
to pay expenses. Never attempt to fire a gun or pistol while on the road; it may frighten the team
and the careless handling and ****ing of the weapon makes nervous people nervous. Don’t discuss
politics or religion
[if everyone else around you is talking about football], nor point out places on the road where horrible murders have been committed [by your team's star tightend] if delicate women are among the passengers. Don’t linger too long at the pewter washbasin at the station. Don’t grease your hair before starting or dust will stick there in sufficient quantities to make a respectable “tater” patch. Tie a silk handkerchief around your neck to keep out dust and prevent sunburns.… Don’t imagine for a moment you are going on a picnic; expect annoyance, discomfort and some hardships. If you are disappointed, thank heaven.

http://www.nhhistory.org/edu/support/nhtransp/coachetiquette.pdf

Again, if a Christian America of 237 years ago could figure out that strangers on a long trip together should probably not talk about politics and religion, maybe a football forum isn't the proper place to either.
 
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ABC News decided to run a story about Tom Brady's priest. I wonder if the purpose of such a story was to have religion be attacked. It certainly worked in this thread.

It's called freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.
 
http://www.nhhistory.org/edu/support/nhtransp/coachetiquette.pdf

Again, if a Christian America of 237 years ago could figure out that strangers on a long trip together should probably not talk about politics and religion, maybe a football forum isn't the proper place to either.

Then your complaint is with ABC News. They decided to run with the Religion/Football/Brady story that naturally ended up here.

I'd like to think we've come along enough in 237 years that we should be able to discuss those issues without getting out of control. As a matter of fact, I think we need to be able to talk about those things (and others) more. Not talking might be why we haven't made enough progress in 237 years.
 
Then your complaint is with ABC News. They decided to run with the Religion/Football/Brady story that naturally ended up here.

I'd like to think we've come along enough in 237 years that we should be able to discuss those issues without getting out of control. As a matter of fact, I think we need to be able to talk about those things (and others) more. Not talking might be why we haven't made enough progress in 237 years.

Great!

Let's also talk abortion and gay marriage while we're at it. I'm sure we can hash these out and come up with some kind of consensus that makes everyone here feel good.

We're mostly all American's right? We should be able to talk politics here on the main forum without getting out of control?

Have you seen how.. scary the Political Discussion subforum is? Do you really want to unlock Harry Boy's padded room and have him out here posting in our football forums?

My point is not that talking religion and politics is a bad thing, but there is a time and place to do so.
 
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Why dont you religious people just offer up some proof your brand of god actually exists and put an end to this argument?
 
So sad ...
I feel the exact same way about those that just blindly follow the pack while no one in the history of ever has even once provided one shred of anything resembling proof that any of it was real. It's estimated there are 4200 religions on earth so even if there was a god, chances are slim that whoever's parents selected the correct god for them.
 
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