The Most Questionable 2014 Draft Choice

AzPatsFan said:

Too Bad That the way of the World.

Why does everyone assume that Brady will start till the day he retires? Unitas didn't. Namath didn't, Jurgenson didn't. Did Marino or Favre? What about Montana?. He lost his job in SF and had to leave for KC. So most don't. Elway announced he was retiring when he was Brady's age.

TFB is already on borrowed time.

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Really?

By that logic his 2014 should be worse than his 2013.


We will see if you are right, I'm betting you aren't.

AzPatsFan said:

Too Bad That the way of the World.

Why does everyone assume that Brady will start till the day he retires? Unitas didn't. Namath didn't, Jurgenson didn't. Did Marino or Favre? What about Montana?. He lost his job in SF and had to leave for KC. So most don't. Elway announced he was retiring when he was Brady's age.

TFB is already on borrowed time.

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They all played pre-salary cap. As for Elway, sports medicine has advanced by leaps and bounds since 1998. Back then, a torn ACL was basically a career ender. In every major sport, players who take good care of their bodies and avoid major injuries are extending their primes for multiple years beyond what used to be common. Not to mention that when Elway retired, that was very much a choice. He could have started in Denver for several more years.

Brady6 said:

In the past four seasons, Brady has a 63.95% completion percentage, 18305 passing yards, 134 touchdown passes, and 35 interceptions; his average season is 4576 yards, 33.5 touchdowns, 8.75 interceptions, and a 100.65 QB rating during that period. The team has a 51-13 regular season record over that period, has been to 1 Super Bowl, 3 AFFCGs, has won 4 division titles, and 1 conference championship.

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Give his stats for 2012 though, as a comparison. It doesn't sound at all like those 4 year stats.

BradyFTW! said:

They all played pre-salary cap. As for Elway, sports medicine has advanced by leaps and bounds since 1998. Back then, a torn ACL was basically a career ender. In every major sport, players who take good care of their bodies and avoid major injuries are extending their primes for multiple years beyond what used to be common. Not to mention that when Elway retired, that was very much a choice. He could have started in Denver for several more years.

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What does pre-CAP have to do with the end of Superstar QBs? Nothing.

AzPatsFan said:

Give his stats for 2012 though, as a comparison. It doesn't sound at all like those 4 year stats.

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His 2012 or 2013?

Because 2012 is basically the same as that 4 year avg.
63.0 %
4827 yards
34 TD
8 TD
98.7 Rating

I just don't think you can say last year was because of skill declining. The 2nd half of the year proved that.

Ivan nailed this discussion (Brady decline discussion.) Well all know what we want to be the case. We have come to the point where we at least fear the extent to which the decline is due to the decline in skills. I am just being honest. When it does happen it can happen fast. I'm personally not a-skeered that he falls off a cliff in 2014. Okay, now that I typed that, I am. But it's not what I'd call a rational fear.

It would certainly be nice to see 2012 Brady in 2014, so we don't have to argue whether it's him, his receivers, etc. etc. etc.

AzPatsFan said:

What does pre-CAP have to do with the end of Superstar QBs? Nothing.

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Pre-cap, there was no inherent problem with carrying two high-salaried QBs. Post-cap, the best ways to win a SB are to have a superstar QB or to have a very good QB on a rookie contract. If Garoppolo is Brady's heir, then post-Brady we won't have the latter (because he will have spent his rookie contract sitting behind Brady) and probably won't have the former either.

AzPatsFan said:

Give his stats for 2012 though, as a comparison. It doesn't sound at all like those 4 year stats.

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2013 has everything to do with the offense around him. For the brief stretch where he actually had a significantly above-average receiver to throw to, the Pats had an elite passing offense. Brady started putting up historic numbers when he got top-tier receiving options. It's no coincidence that he stopped putting up historic numbers as soon as he longer had any very good receivers.

As usual, Borges chimes in with his pessimistic viewpoint that Belichick somehow claimed that he feels that Brady will not be honoring his contract....by stating the words "we're aware of Brady's age and contract situation." What a bunch of speculative crap.

Belichick also said that "it wouldn't be fair to the team or organization to only have 1 QB." Considering that Mallett is obviously not going to be that "one quarterback," and the pick of JG isn't included in that thinking--who the hell is left besides Tom? I'd love for someone to ask Borges that exact question.

I get what he's saying in the sense that we need to be prepared for everything, but I personally don't care for his speculation mixed with a terribly pessimistic viewpoint with every single subject matter.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/ron_borges/2014/05/borges_don_t_be_so_sure_on_tom_brady

Gallon set a Michigan record for yards last year. The guy gets open, is tough and and is very undersized. He can cut like Welker. He has great hands. He was a steal for us. He's small, but I think he can make plays.

AzPatsFan said:

Too Bad That the way of the World.

Why does everyone assume that Brady will start till the day he retires? Unitas didn't. Namath didn't, Jurgenson didn't. Did Marino or Favre? What about Montana?. He lost his job in SF and had to leave for KC. So most don't. Elway announced he was retiring when he was Brady's age.

TFB is already on borrowed time.

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Brady will never be a back up in this league again. You can't compare pre-free agency QBs because none of those guys were set for life when they lost their starting jobs. Unitas, Namath, etc. had to keep playing after they were not good enough to start because they were not multimillionaires.

Also, Marino, Favre, and Montana were never back ups at the end of their careers. All hung it up before they lost their starting jobs.

As for Elway, it was an unique situation where he wanted to go out on top.

There is no reason to believe that Brady cannot play at a high or elite level for another 3-4 years. May not happen, but Favre had his best year of his career at 40.