BB rips Welker

upstater1 · Jan 21, 2014

This Uncle Meat guy is having a conversation with himself and ignoring what everyone else is saying.

Blocking CBs, pushing them, picking them, rubbing them, etc. All OK. Even when it's illegal and drawing a flag.

What's beyond the pale is running full steam at someone, veering to the side, and throwing a cross body block, before the receiver catches the ball and becomes a ball carrier.

Pretty simple.

It's crazy that a basic simple point made at least 100 times in this thread could be so horribly misunderstood as, "Patriots fans think pick plays are rare."

Only someone with an agenda could get things this horribly wrong.

Sciz · Jan 21, 2014

I'm with Curran on this one. No, Welker's not getting fined. He didn't break any rules. Yes, Belichick has a right to be upset. Welker exploited a huge flaw in the NFL's safety guidelines, namely that a player in coverage is never defenseless. Now after Thomas has the ball (which of course never happened) and Talib becomes someone trying to tackle him rather than a player in coverage, he's protected from high peel-back blocks. As a man in coverage, however, Talib has no protections at all. It's not really just what Welker did (because let's be honest, the NFL doesn't give a crap about player's knees), but it's the fact that Welker could have gone helmet to helmet on Talib and there would have been nothing wrong with the play except that same possible OPI that was never called. Now obviously Welker's not the kind of guy who's intentionally going to go helmet to helmet on Talib, but imagine if Hines Ward were playing and he saw what receivers could get away with. He'd be launching himself every week.

Curran predicts that emphasis will be put on protecting these defenders from illegal hits in these situations (while not making Welker's hit illegal as it wasn't a high it), but then he makes the absolutely correct point that no ref is going to enforce those rules anyway. It's a broken system that Welker either intentionally or inadvertently (it doesn't really matter) just made completely obvious to every player in the NFL.

Now of course nothing's going to happen to Welker from this, but Curran's suggesting that Belichick's rant wasn't really supposed to get Welker in trouble necessarily, but to make it know to the world that the NFL's safety rules were broken. And even the people throwing out terms like crybaby and sour grapes have to admit he did just that.

BradyFTW! · Jan 21, 2014

upstater1 said:
This Uncle Meat guy is having a conversation with himself and ignoring what everyone else is saying.

Blocking CBs, pushing them, picking them, rubbing them, etc. All OK. Even when it's illegal and drawing a flag.

What's beyond the pale is running full steam at someone, veering to the side, and throwing a cross body block, before the receiver catches the ball and becomes a ball carrier.

Pretty simple.

It's crazy that a basic simple point made at least 100 times in this thread could be so horribly misunderstood as, "Patriots fans think pick plays are rare."

Only someone with an agenda could get things this horribly wrong.

Uncle Meat also once said that posting here as a Bills fan is like being a Jew in Nazi Germany, so... yeah. He's something.

Uncle Meat · Jan 21, 2014

upstater1 said:
Only someone with an agenda could get things this horribly wrong.

Oh, I feel the same way.

BradyFTW! said:
Uncle Meat also once said that posting here as a Bills fan is like being a Jew in Nazi Germany, so... yeah. He's something.

I don't recall that. You sure about that? When was this?

Would that be wrong?

bresna · Jan 21, 2014

upstater1 said:
This Uncle Meat guy is having a conversation with himself and ignoring what everyone else is saying.

Blocking CBs, pushing them, picking them, rubbing them, etc. All OK. Even when it's illegal and drawing a flag.

What's beyond the pale is running full steam at someone, veering to the side, and throwing a cross body block, before the receiver catches the ball and becomes a ball carrier.

Pretty simple.

It's crazy that a basic simple point made at least 100 times in this thread could be so horribly misunderstood as, "Patriots fans think pick plays are rare."

Only someone with an agenda could get things this horribly wrong.

We do have the option for an ignore list here on the forums. Just drop Uncle Meat on there and you don't have to see his trolling (unless someone quotes him).

Uncle Meat · Jan 21, 2014

bresna said:
We do have the option for an ignore list here on the forums. Just drop Uncle Meat on there and you don't have to see his trolling (unless someone quotes him).

Good idea, old pal.

Just conitue to believe whatever suits ya.

emoney_33 · Jan 21, 2014

upstater1 said:
This Uncle Meat guy is having a conversation with himself and ignoring what everyone else is saying.

Blocking CBs, pushing them, picking them, rubbing them, etc. All OK. Even when it's illegal and drawing a flag.

What's beyond the pale is running full steam at someone, veering to the side, and throwing a cross body block, before the receiver catches the ball and becomes a ball carrier.

Pretty simple.

It's crazy that a basic simple point made at least 100 times in this thread could be so horribly misunderstood as, "Patriots fans think pick plays are rare."

Only someone with an agenda could get things this horribly wrong.

To be fair, at full speed there is a very fine line between rubbing someone and colliding with someone. Watching the play at a wider angle I think Welker lowering his shoulder is bracing for an impact he didn't intend until it was too late. The intention there is for Welker to cross between Demaryius and Talib but Talib has a good break and cuts into pursuit quicker than Welker can get through and thus the collision. It looks bad but I no longer believe there was intent there.

PatsFanInVa · Jan 21, 2014

Uncle Meat said:
Oh, I feel the same way.

I don't recall that. You sure about that? When was this?

Would that be wrong?

Yes.
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patsfanincleveland · Jan 21, 2014

PatsFanInVa said:
Best comment yet, I believe from Troy Brown - if this had been Julian Edelman doing this to Darell Revis, we'd be saying this is good tough defensive football.

Now, fact is it's a dirty play -- there IS no ball-carrier yet. But what kind of ****ies are we? Sometimes you are not the better team on the field on a given day. I didn't see that leading to Denver hanging 48 points on us or something. I saw a lackluster NE offense and -- before and after the loss of Talib -- a serviceable defense.

Complaints, howls, blame, whatever, it is all moot. And because of the Patriots' consistent excellence over the years, the Pats get the "no sympathy" treatment immediately on any such point from the media and any other fanbases.

I think it was a bad non-call. Clearly it pissed off Belichick and he gave the interview he gave.

Beyond that, it's time to take a xanax, play some golf, jam w/Bon Jovi or Steve Tyler for a couple weeks, then start going through what film's available on prospects.

Sirrously.

Except Edelman is on offense................

How exactly is that good "defensive" football?

Seriously, outside of proving you are as stupid as Troy Brown, what's your point?

Danger Zone · Jan 21, 2014

patsfanincleveland said:
Seriously, outside of proving you are as stupid as Troy Brown, what's your point?

Dont you be dissing my boy now.

Troy might be wrong/too generous in giving Welker the benefit of the doubt but hes in no way stupid.

EDIT: And in essence what Troy said is true. Go read the Bronco forums. Theres not a Bronco fan that doesnt love what Welker did.

patsfanincleveland · Jan 21, 2014

Danger Zone said:
Dont you be dissing my boy now.

Troy might be wrong/too generous in giving Welker the benefit of the doubt but hes in no way stupid.

EDIT: And in essence what Troy said is true. Go read the Bronco forums. Theres not a Bronco fan that doesnt love what Welker did.

Why wouldn't Denver fans love it?

The single most important player that shut down your offense in November was forced out of the game by that "pick"?

Coincident?

The reality is the game plan was based on AT on Thomas. Take that and the dynamic changes......quite the tempting target.

upstater1 · Jan 21, 2014

emoney_33 said:
To be fair, at full speed there is a very fine line between rubbing someone and colliding with someone. Watching the play at a wider angle I think Welker lowering his shoulder is bracing for an impact he didn't intend until it was too late. The intention there is for Welker to cross between Demaryius and Talib but Talib has a good break and cuts into pursuit quicker than Welker can get through and thus the collision. It looks bad but I no longer believe there was intent there.

Intent is irrelevant. It's reckless. You're also missing the fact that Welker veered into him. You can easily see Welker dive left.

upstater1 · Jan 21, 2014

Danger Zone said:
Dont you be dissing my boy now.

Troy might be wrong/too generous in giving Welker the benefit of the doubt but hes in no way stupid.

EDIT: And in essence what Troy said is true. Go read the Bronco forums. Theres not a Bronco fan that doesnt love what Welker did.

Troy Brown didn't say that. Buckley did.

patsfanincleveland · Jan 21, 2014

upstater1 said:
Intent is irrelevant. It's reckless. You're also missing the fact that Welker veered into him. You can easily see Welker dive left.

It's safe to say few drunk drivers set out on the highway with intent to cause accidents.

Uncle Meat · Jan 21, 2014

emoney_33 said:
To be fair, at full speed there is a very fine line between rubbing someone and colliding with someone. Watching the play at a wider angle I think Welker lowering his shoulder is bracing for an impact he didn't intend until it was too late. The intention there is for Welker to cross between Demaryius and Talib but Talib has a good break and cuts into pursuit quicker than Welker can get through and thus the collision. It looks bad but I no longer believe there was intent there.

Exactly.........

PittPatriot · Jan 22, 2014