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I have listened to alot of fan talk on this board and ANYBODY who thinks the Patriots wouldn't love to plug Rey next to Mayo yesterday or questions whether the Pats believe he "fits" their defensive scheme, I just laugh silently, shake my head and realize that it's an emotional fan thing.

So as a guy with Trojans in his user name you've concluded that anybody who doesn't like a particular Trojan prospect is just being "an emotional fan"? ;)

I could give out some facts about the Pats feelings about about all 5 SC LBers among others but I decided this year to just lay low because people last year just like to argue with you about your information even though last year I was spot on and gave everybody the information on average 3 days ahead of the press releases. I challenged anybody to prove me wrong and got no responses. So I'm just enjoying this year.

'55, I remember your contributions well and would love to see you post more. In particular, we could all benefit from any close observerations of USC prospects. And IIRC you were the first to leak that Holley was going to leak about Mayo, suggesting some kind of media connections.

But if you want plaudits for that, you should take your good-natured lumps for not being "spot on" every time. E.g. you were just as positive about the Pats being serious about a couple of Trojans last year (Ellis & Rivers), too. And remember your discourse on "inside information" 10 days before last year's draft, notable for not naming a single eventual Pats draft pick and for "news" that the Pats would address positions like OL, RB and & WR? Here 'tis:
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/13/81123-way-i-hear.html

In other words, regardless of the sources of your info & opinions, you're right sometimes and wrong the rest of the time, just like the rest of us. :) So don't get upset that people "just like to argue with you about your information." Isn't that why we're all here? Dig in!
 
In other words, regardless of the sources of your info & opinions, you're right sometimes and wrong the rest of the time, just like the rest of us. :) So don't get upset that people "just like to argue with you about your information." Isn't that why we're all here? Dig in!

You maven.

The gentleman reminds me a (little) of the NEInsider at ESPN.
 
So as a guy with Trojans in his user name you've concluded that anybody who doesn't like a particular Trojan prospect is just being "an emotional fan"? ;)



'55, I remember your contributions well and would love to see you post more. In particular, we could all benefit from any close observerations of USC prospects. And IIRC you were the first to leak that Holley was going to leak about Mayo, suggesting some kind of media connections.

But if you want plaudits for that, you should take your good-natured lumps for not being "spot on" every time. E.g. you were just as positive about the Pats being serious about a couple of Trojans last year (Ellis & Rivers), too. And remember your discourse on "inside information" 10 days before last year's draft, notable for not naming a single eventual Pats draft pick and for "news" that the Pats would address positions like OL, RB and & WR? Here 'tis:
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/13/81123-way-i-hear.html

In other words, regardless of the sources of your info & opinions, you're right sometimes and wrong the rest of the time, just like the rest of us. :) So don't get upset that people "just like to argue with you about your information." Isn't that why we're all here? Dig in!

Thanks Patchick,

However, I don't care if I get a pat on the back or a slap on the face, In fact, I most likely will get a slap on the face. The truth is it doesn't matter to me because it doesn't change what or whom I am or know period.

I was right in everything I posted in the thread you posted. Here's why, I was just passing on what I was "Hearing" not making a prediction as a matter of fact. It wasn't my opinion at all. As a matter of fact I wouldn't come on here predicting whom the Patriots will and won't pick because it's not in their control it's a draft and they have to get alittle lucky. Then people will ridicule you at nausium because how do you prove to doubters that the Patriots have interest in that player is not on the team?
This is why I posted the information about the smokescreen involving the Saints to get the trade.

Looking at what I posted they have addressed the RB and WR positions just 1 season later because of how things shaped up in the draft with who was there and who they liked. So they just decided to wait. What shows as a carry over is that they felt it was a need at that time and still felt that way this off-season.

Like, I said again I don't care either way and that's why I'm not posting anymore inside information this year like I did last season. Some will say because I'm a fraud and don't have anything to pass along but who cares to be honest because I don't get my glory from man anyway.

I only gave out what I was hearing and I let you know if it's "my opinion or belief" but I don't guess like "fans" do.

PT55
 
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However, I don't care if I get a pat on the back or a slap on the face, In fact, I most likely will get a slap on the face. The truth is it doesn't matter to me because it doesn't change what or whom I am or know period.

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Like, I said again I don't care either way and that's why I'm not posting anymore inside information this year like I did last season.

OK! But you might want to think over what you're saying. You're coming here claiming that you have inside information that you REFUSE to share with us because we'll argue with you and not believe you...and that you don't care the slightest, teensiest bit that we argue with you and don't believe you.

Seriously, just join in.
 
OK! But you might want to think over what you're saying. You're coming here claiming that you have inside information that you REFUSE to share with us because we'll argue with you and not believe you...and that you don't care the slightest, teensiest bit that we argue with you and don't believe you.

Seriously, just join in.

Give it up, it's too "suttle" for you. :D
 
Instincts aren't "sensing something out of the cosmos", they're about your body reacting before you front-brain has a chance to process. Instincts most certainly do affect players.

I think that you are both right to a point. Film study and preperation is what keys instincts aswell as other factors. Experience is a big factor but coming from a players piont of view, sometimes you just do not know why, but you just do it. There are keys which all good LB look at but the great ones know when they need to throw those key's out the window and just ball.

Just my opinion on the situation but a very enjoyable read Jay52 keep up the good work. I should just put this write up at the biginning of my Playbook next year and tell the LB's to know it inside and out::).
 
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Like, I said again I don't care either way and that's why I'm not posting anymore inside information this year like I did last season. Some will say because I'm a fraud and don't have anything to pass along but who cares to be honest because I don't get my glory from man anyway.

I enjoyed your posts last year and would love to read more this year.
 
Respectfully, stiff hips get you in trouble as a three down player regardless of scheme. Further, the 4-3 Mike is a totally different skill set than a guy playing inside in the 3-4. Much more of a persuit guy than an angle guy. Note how it was geared to explosion, not flowing to the football. I understand what I wrote was lengthy, but take the time to read it and understand the thought process. I wrote about the importance of explosion and three step quickness as an effective guage of functional playing strength. Also, a 340lb guard ain't going to reach anyone that quickly, but explosive hips are what is going to get that monster off of you.

Instincts are a myth. It's the ability to process information quickly combined with film study and football IQ. No one is going to sense something out of the cosmos, it's through awareness and preperation. If you are going to play D1 middle or inside linebacker, tackling is a requisate. If we're going to do a deep dive on a player, shouldn't tackling be a requisate for interest? Breaking on the ball in zone is a function of reading the blocking scheme and the hitch step of the QB as you read the releases of the reciever. Ball skills are the ability to play the ball when contending for it with a reciever.

Clearly you have never played this game at a competitive level.
 
Clearly you have never played this game at a competitive level.

Eloquent in it's brevity. This coming from the dude who thought Vernon Gholston had the tools to play out of the two point. Frankly, I wrote this from personal experience playing inside linebacker until I was 22. I was never a backup. I wrote this in an effort to educate and foster civil, intelligent discussion, not to get dragged down by some fatass has ben who thinks he still could lace em up. If you wanna be civil, cool. You wanna question my experience? Then Pm me and let's disuss this like men.
 
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Eloquent in it's brevity. This coming from the dude who thought Vernon Gholston had the tools to play out of the two point. Frankly, I wrote this from personal experience playing inside linebacker until I was 22. I was never a backup. I wrote this in an effort to educate and foster civil, intelligent discussion, not to get dragged down by some fatass has ben who thinks he still could lace em up. If you wanna be civil, cool. You wanna question my experience? Then Pm me and let's disuss this like men.

Educate? That instincts are a myth? For you maybe.....
 
Educate? That instincts are a myth? For you maybe.....
Language, sir. There is a school of thought claiming leadership is a trait one is born with, yet every year Military personnel are put through classroom and OJT with the intended purpose of developing leadership skills. It can be rather entertaining and fascinating watching young folks grow from clueless innocents into true leaders capable of handling missions under the most extreme conditions, with clueless innocents of their own in tow.

Ochmed and I have discussed instinctiveness in the past, if somewhat more civilly then above. As a grad-e-ate of serrrvuss trainin', I see both sides of the discussion here. I believe the "instinct" we see from someone like Tedy Bruschi is a highly developed skill, but that he was gifted with a mental quickness - perhaps better named a mental flexibility that allows him to take film study, repetition, and actual experience, and adapt his play to the situation. BB has mentioned something similar in the past.

Few people would argue that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are supernaturally gifted athletes, certainly not when compared to a Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell. Would you care to wager who would have come out on top at a similar stage of their career in a head to head battle using exact clones for the other 21 players? Sun Tzu might be appropriate at a time like this, BB probably has the right quote handy, but Tommy and Peyty seem to have a mental flexibility that Vince and Jamarcus don't. That it had to be developed I have no doubt, do Vince and Jamarcus lack the capacity? I don't think it's fair to say that, but something, call it will, hunger, whatever, isn't there to push them into stretching and exercising what appear to be reasonably good minds.

I'm sure we can all point to people who have been gifted, and needed someone to hold their hand every minute to keep them from harming themselves and others. In the case of "instincts" vs "training," I do believe what we call instinct is more readily a highly developed skill set coupled with a mind that has been exercised over the years to adapt more quickly to change.

Rey Maualuga is one of my whipping boys in this draft because he's such a favorite at ILB. When Rey recognizes a play or situation, he's like a heat seeking missile, if more easily blocked. Where I question his play, and I'm talking play not draftnik write-ups, is his adaptability, there's a clear hesitancy about him when he plays. Sometimes a switch clicks and he's rocketing off to make a big hit or sticking a paw up into the passing lane to pull down an interception, but all too often he's mulling over what is happening. Some on here have gotten on me for falling in love with Connor Barwin's Combine. I'm glad they were paying attention, but they missed a turn or two along the way. Barwin was that kid in the Cincinnati games I was watching who kept adjusting on the fly to the ball, one moment he's being blocked by a big Left tackle, the next he's in the air knocking down the ball or forcing the QB to alter his throw as his passing lane is clogged. Ball awareness, it's like Connor is thirteen and taking pains not to repeat an unpleasant learning experience, and Rey is thirteen and has a puzzled look as to why landing astraddle the fence keeps taking his breath away.
 
I was right in everything I posted in the thread you posted.
Actually, you were wrong in everything you posted.

Now you can weasel around and try to say you were fed bum information and that is why everything you said was wrong, but then don't try to come back and claim you have inside information, because clearly you do not.

Long could fall to 8 or 9

O-Lineman and that is a VERY strong possibility in the 1st round.

They were very impressed with Keith Rivers visit, specifically his time spent in the film room and the terms "instincts and field savvy" came up.

They will draft a RB in this draft that will replace Sammy Morris eventually.

On WR they like a number of them but they want a versatile WR and will address this as well.

On Seward, they are still debating on an offer and the snag is whether they like the value of Seward for a 5th or do they feel the prospect will be there in the draft. In other words they want to keep the best possible flexability available going into the draft while improving depth. I think they will give him an offer

(Don't be surprised if they don't take a LBer until Late Day 2 anyway. As in Late 3rd or later).

I don't post my knowledge of the team for self gratification. I post it for true Patriots Fans who want to know some inside information on their beloved team. [/B]

PT55
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Ochmed and I have discussed instinctiveness in the past, if somewhat more civilly then above. As a grad-e-ate of serrrvuss trainin', I see both sides of the discussion here. I believe the "instinct" we see from someone like Tedy Bruschi is a highly developed skill, but that he was gifted with a mental quickness - perhaps better named a mental flexibility that allows him to take film study, repetition, and actual experience, and adapt his play to the situation. BB has mentioned something similar in the past.

Yo Box, when and where did you grad-u-ate from serv-US training? I was expecting a grad-u-ate of serv-US to be a much more intense poster.
 
Yo Box, when and where did you grad-u-ate from serv-US training? I was expecting a grad-u-ate of serv-US to be a much more intense poster.
Nawt dat kine uf serv-US learnin', I are duh knukkle draggin' kine; booty camp, crammed 20 to a bunk, Senior Toilet Scrubbing Technician, the whole 9 feets. I are a self ruined man, an prowd uf it. :yeeha:
 
RE: Instincts.

Here is a famous quote from Tedy B about playing ILB.

Tedy said: "... I just go to where the hole IS GOING TO BE, and then tackle the guy coming through the hole...":D
 
RE: Instincts.

Here is a famous quote from Tedy B about playing ILB.

Tedy said: "... I just go to where the hole IS GOING TO BE, and then tackle the guy coming through the hole...":D

Exactly....he can read the action of the guard and/or the fullback, and instantly recognize the play. Them's instincts. Ray Lewis has built a HoF career on instincts like that.
 
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