Reiss: Chad Jackson released

[Deus Irae]

BB also made statements about what a strong camp Victor Hobson was having.

A more reliable sign of a player busting his butt in the offseason would be inclusion in the (rather long) list of off-season award winners.

Hence my comment about BB lying which seems to have gotten some individuals' skirts in a flutter.

 

[Lampshade]

BB also made statements about what a strong camp Victor Hobson was having.

A more reliable sign of a player busting his butt in the offseason would be inclusion in the (rather long) list of off-season award winners.

That's a bit harsh. 45 of the 53 members of the roster didn't warrant inclusion on the list, including all receivers not named Jabar Gaffney.

 

[Deus Irae]

Nice deflection. You should be on a ticket with somebody. Unless all of your posts this weekend have been sarcastic, it's clear your POV is that the front office and head coach have made several personnel errors and what's worse, have refused to explain them to you to your satisfaction.

It wasn't a deflection, it was an accurate response to your post.

Question still stands. What has given you the impression that you're entitled to that?

Since you're somehow think that YOU are entitled to an explanation, let's go with: "It is what it is. We're working hard at posting and trying to improve every day. We could improve our moderating and our posting, no question about it. But, we'll look at the board and see what we need to do better. That's just what we try to do here. We try to get better every day. There are other boards, there are a lot of other excellent boards, and we're just trying to be one of them. We're just trying to improve the board. That's what we always do."

 

[jeffbiologist]

BB also made statements about what a strong camp Victor Hobson was having.

A more reliable sign of a player busting his butt in the offseason would be inclusion in the (rather long) list of off-season award winners.

Great point! I remember when Gaffney won that off season workout award and BB talked up Chad the same week.....obviously one thing is more important than the other!

 

[Pats67]

Hence my comment about BB lying which seems to have gotten some individuals' skirts in a flutter.

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for being disingenuous.

 

[Deus Irae]

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for being disingenuous.

I wasn't being disingenuous. I actually listened to the interview. Did you?

 

[Pats67]

Since you're somehow think that YOU are entitled to an explanation, let's go with: "It is what it is. We're working hard at posting and trying to improve every day. We could improve our moderating and our posting, no question about it. But, we'll look at the board and see what we need to do better. That's just what we try to do here. We try to get better every day. There are other boards, there are a lot of other excellent boards, and we're just trying to be one of them. We're just trying to improve the board. That's what we always do."

Clever. Also wrong. I'm trying to engage in a discussion. See, when a football coach goes to the podium to answer questions, I always assume he doesn't want to be there, and is only doing so out of some professional responsibility.

I see frequent message board posters as being a different thing. I figure when a guy makes several posts on a subject, he might be open to discussing one or two of them.

Still not answered a direct question as to why you believe you're entitled to have the head coach come to you and explain the personnel decisions he's making simply because his roster didn't match yours. I suspect that's because you're still trying to think of an answer.

 

[dhamz]

After all these years, people still listen to what BB says about players. That is hilarious. Have you noticed yet that he has never said a single negative thing about any individual player on his team publicly?

Ignore what he says, watch who he plays.

 

[Deus Irae]

Clever. Also wrong. I'm trying to engage in a discussion. See, when a football coach goes to the podium to answer questions, I always assume he doesn't want to be there, and is only doing so out of some professional responsibility.

I see frequent message board posters as being a different thing. I figure when a guy makes several posts on a subject, he might be open to discussing one or two of them.

Still not answered a direct question as to why you believe you're entitled to have the head coach come to you and explain the personnel decisions he's making simply because his roster didn't match yours. I suspect that's because you're still trying to think of an answer.

You weren't trying to engage in a discussion, you were being an ass. I never claimed to be entitled to anything. I posted about an interview and gave my take on it. If you don't like it, that's your choice.

 

[Pats67]

I wasn't being disingenuous. I actually listened to the interview. Did you?

I didn't have to. I'm assuming the multiple quotes you've provided would suffice. I'm trusting there wasn't anything in his inflection that was particularly telling, was there?

Yes, you're being disingenuous. You've all but stated that Belichick was either stupid or a liar with those comments, even though any honest person would acknowledge that they were of the ultra-cliched "he was a good guy and he did a good job and he worked hard and it just didn't work out," which is what professionals do when they're asked these questions.

Yet to serve your as-yet-undefined mission here, though, you insist on interpreting those comments on their face. That's disingenuous.

 

[Deus Irae]

I didn't have to. I'm assuming the multiple quotes you've provided would suffice. I'm trusting there wasn't anything in his inflection that was particularly telling, was there?

Yes, you're being disingenuous. You've all but stated that Belichick was either stupid or a liar with those comments, even though any honest person would acknowledge that they were of the ultra-cliched "he was a good guy and he did a good job and he worked hard and it just didn't work out," which is what professionals do when they're asked these questions.

Yet to serve your as-yet-undefined mission here, though, you insist on interpreting those comments on their face. That's disingenuous.

You should try looking up the definition, since you apparently don't know what it means. BB blows smoke all the the time. All coaches do. Furthermore, any 'mission' I have regarding Jackson is far from 'as-yet-undefined'. I've made my position/mission abundantly clear.

While you're looking up that definition, perhaps you could look up hypocrite, for yourself.

 

[Pats67]

You weren't trying to engage in a discussion, you were being an ass.

Hmm. Actually, I was trying to engage in a discussion. You aren't projecting, are you?

I never claimed to be entitled to anything. I posted about an interview and gave my take on it. If you don't like it, that's your choice.

Hmm again. This wasn't posted by you?

Dude, I get where you're coming from on this stuff. The actions of the front office have been bizarre, and have left far too many questions unanswered. It's kept players that aren't NFL worthy while cutting those that are. It's made signings that were abject failures, and it's "no information will be released, no matter how unimportant it is that such information be kept secret" policy opens it up to questioning and second-guessing like no other team in the NFL.

Sounds like someone who thinks they're entitled to something.

 

[Pats67]

You should try looking up the definition, since you apparently don't know what it means. BB blows smoke all the the time. All coaches do. Furthermore, any 'mission' I have regarding Jackson is far from 'as-yet-undefined'. I've made my position/mission abundantly clear.
While you're looking up that definition, perhaps you could look up hypocrite, for yourself.

While I'm over getting the dictionary, is there a textbook or something I can pick up to help you with comprehension?

Yes, I guess you have made your position clear. Your position is that the organization that wins 70 percent of the time and has made four Super Bowl appearances this decade (three more than any other team) keeps "players that aren't NFL worthy while cutting those that are." That's your position, and it sucks.

I won't take up any more of your time. My question's been answered.

 

[arrellbee]

He already has.

Career avg yards per carry:

4.4 Maroney
4.1 Jordan
4.0 Morris

Career avg yard per reception:
11.9 Maroney
8.2 Jordan
7.0 Morris

As we all know, you have to be careful how much emphasis you place on statistics. They can be very pertinent or they can be misleading.

In the case of running backs, I tend to put yards per carry in the 'can be misleading' category.

The most important, by far, contribution of the running game is to keep drives alive. Sporadic long runs by themselves are not productive enough.

For example, as a purely imaginary hypothetical, let's imagine a drive with Maroney versus Morris or Jordan.

Maroney runs for 12 yds, 2 yds, 2 yds, and 3.6 yards. Average: 4.4 yards per carry. Results: 4 plays and out.

Jordan or Morris run for 4, 3, 3.2 - 3, 4.5, 2.6 - 2.9, 4.2, 3.2 -
Average: 3.4 yards per carry. Results: 9 plays and the drive continues.

A pretty fair amount of Maroney's 4.4 ypc come from long runs - and there are a lot that are -2, -1, 1, 1.5, 2 etc.

If the name of the game is marching down the field without punting - well ......

 

[D-cleater]

wow - 30 pages! just in case this thread has gotten off track, a word from our sponsors:

Chad Jackson is a bust , thats why we cut our losses and went with the better players - BB

 

[arrellbee]

You know Deus, what you are essentially saying is that your opinion about the relative value of players to the Patriots is significantly better than that of Belichick such that that you feel supremely confident in saying that Belichick made a mistake. (mistakes mistakes mistakes .....)

I am especially impressed with your expertise, especially since you have no way in the slightest to know what routes the receivers are supposed to run much less what optional route changes they are supposed to make as a result of on the field defensive keys. And, not only that, unless you have a different TV feed than I have, you can't even see more than 5% of what the receivers are doing in the totality of plays (and it's probably not even close to 5%).

As I say, very impressive.

 

[emoney_33]

As we all know, you have to be careful how much emphasis you place on statistics. They can be very pertinent or they can be misleading.

In the case of running backs, I tend to put yards per carry in the 'can be misleading' category.

The most important, by far, contribution of the running game is to keep drives alive. Sporadic long runs by themselves are not productive enough.

For example, as a purely imaginary hypothetical, let's imagine a drive with Maroney versus Morris or Jordan.

Maroney runs for 12 yds, 2 yds, 2 yds, and 3.6 yards. Average: 4.4 yards per carry. Results: 4 plays and out.

Jordan or Morris run for 4, 3, 3.2 - 3, 4.5, 2.6 - 2.9, 4.2, 3.2 -
Average: 3.4 yards per carry. Results: 9 plays and the drive continues.

A pretty fair amount of Maroney's 4.4 ypc come from long runs - and there are a lot that are -2, -1, 1, 1.5, 2 etc.

If the name of the game is marching down the field without punting - well ......

"pretty fair amount" is an incredibly vague term. I understand your point here however the only way to get the truth is to actually go back and look at the statistical analysis, breaking down Maroney's runs into groups of yardage.

I do know that Maroney had a 3.96 YPC average last year when removing the two 50+ yard runs from the Miami game. Also without those runs he had 0 runs of 20+ yards. How many 10+ vs. 0-2 yard rushes he had I do not know. Would be interesting to see if anyone around the internet has already broken it down.

 

[spacecrime]

Again, according to BB, Jackson busted his ass this offseason. BB has made statements to that effect on multiple occasions this offseason.

So what? You could say the same thing about Bam Childress.

What don't you understand about the fact that BB thinks the team is better off without Chad Jackson?

Or that he thinks the team will be better with Cassel.

Hey, love one and hate the other if you want. It's your right. Just say, "I love one and hate the other." This business of trying to "prove" that BB didn't think he was doing the right thing for the team is nuts. And if you could do it, you couldn't do it by analyzing his press conferences!

You will never get BB to come out and say one of his players sucked. He doesn't do that. And after he cuts a guy he disliked, BB publicly thanks the guy for his contribution to the team.

BB is not going to trash a player in front of the press. He will say polite things, so just stop trying to read meaning into them.

 

[spacecrime]

As we all know, you have to be careful how much emphasis you place on statistics. They can be very pertinent or they can be misleading.

In the case of running backs, I tend to put yards per carry in the 'can be misleading' category.

The most important, by far, contribution of the running game is to keep drives alive. Sporadic long runs by themselves are not productive enough.

For example, as a purely imaginary hypothetical, let's imagine a drive with Maroney versus Morris or Jordan.

Maroney runs for 12 yds, 2 yds, 2 yds, and 3.6 yards. Average: 4.4 yards per carry. Results: 4 plays and out.

Jordan or Morris run for 4, 3, 3.2 - 3, 4.5, 2.6 - 2.9, 4.2, 3.2 -
Average: 3.4 yards per carry. Results: 9 plays and the drive continues.

A pretty fair amount of Maroney's 4.4 ypc come from long runs - and there are a lot that are -2, -1, 1, 1.5, 2 etc.

If the name of the game is marching down the field without punting - well ......

I agree with all this about stats except the part that long runs are not a good thing. The more long runs a RB has, the better off the team is.

You can always create scenarios as you did to "prove" that 3.4 yards a carry is better than 4.4 yards per carry, but in the long run those blibs willequal out and the running back that gets more yards per carry will be a better runner. Very seldom if ever will you find a guy who runs 30 plays for 2 yards and 3 plays for 30 yards each and every game.

I wish they had a stat for successful running plays, with a successful running play defined as:

a) gains 4 yards or more, or

b) results in a first down opr a TD.

But they don't, so what we have is average yards per carry.

Since we measure all RBs with the same yardstick, it is a fair comparison.

Anyway, has anyone ever quibbled that Tom Brady's 4000 yards came in big chunks and that Pennington is a better QB because his passes are shorter?

 

[captain stone]

Still not answered a direct question as to why you believe you're entitled to have the head coach come to you and explain the personnel decisions he's making simply because his roster didn't match yours...

Because without our $$ from tickets, concessions, parking, merchandise, etc. the HC of the NEP would be SOL. The least he could do is be a little more forthcoming, esp. about injuries, so that the fanbase could enjoy a little peace of colective mind.