Dallas shopping M. Spears and B. Carpenter at Senior Bowl

[patsfan55]

anyone got any vids for carpenter?
i definitely wouldnt mind taking a shot on him

 

[mcbee]

It's ok to defer to others who just might have seen these guys play more than you or comprehend the nuances of football better than you and I.....

Try it once, I guarantee you'll feel better about yourself.

Others who've seen them play...like WHOM? The coach of the Cowboys? He benched them. So why don't you defer to HIS judgement? He doesn't know as much as YOU?

Yes, the nuances say a guy who has hardly seen the field is worth a 3rd round draft pick. OK. Brilliant.

If BB said it I'd believe it. You? No.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

anyone got any vids for carpenter?
i definitely wouldnt mind taking a shot on him

The guy is 6'2'' 248lbs. Right now.

Belichick coached his dad. People have said he plays like his dad.

Parcells knew what he could have in him.

Wade Phillips is an idiot.

 

[patsfan55]

The guy is 6'2'' 248lbs. Right now.

Belichick coached his dad. People have said he plays like his dad.

Parcells knew what he could have in him.

Wade Phillips is an idiot.

yahoo says 257

 

[patchick]

I talked to Bobby prior to the 2006 NFL draft, and he seemed like a very intelligent guy, with his head on straight.

I'm interested to hear this, because leading up to the draft there were a lot of whispers that intellect was not his strong suit and could be a problem for him at the ILB position.

I really wonder what the story has been for Carpenter in Dallas. Yes, they're deep at LB. And yes, their defense changed. And yes, he's been dinged up. But a 1st-round pick with Carpenter's physical gifts should be able to make some impact -- or at least not find himself actively shopped after 2 seasons.

 

[PonyExpress]

I'm interested to hear this, because leading up to the draft there were a lot of whispers that intellect was not his strong suit and could be a problem for him at the ILB position.

I really wonder what the story has been for Carpenter in Dallas. Yes, they're deep at LB. And yes, their defense changed. And yes, he's been dinged up. But a 1st-round pick with Carpenter's physical gifts should be able to make some impact -- or at least not find himself actively shopped after 2 seasons.

Don't think it was his intellect as much as his personality/attitude that was questioned. He put on a scene in front of scouts at his OSU pro day (John Murphy had it back when he did Nextlevelscouting) and I believe even Nawrocki put a red dot on Carpenter for immaturity at ProFW. I know he was with Romo in Cabo before the playoff game. When Vrabel was interviewed by Holley about Carpenter before the draft that year, Vrabel said he really liked AJHawk, but was not particularly complimentary on Carpenter. One would have expected Vrabel to pump up his fellow OSU guy. He did not. Vrabel never minces words or says things he doesn't mean.

 

[sebman2112]

I'm interested to hear this, because leading up to the draft there were a lot of whispers that intellect was not his strong suit and could be a problem for him at the ILB position.

I really wonder what the story has been for Carpenter in Dallas. Yes, they're deep at LB. And yes, their defense changed. And yes, he's been dinged up. But a 1st-round pick with Carpenter's physical gifts should be able to make some impact -- or at least not find himself actively shopped after 2 seasons.

I don't know the full extent of his intellect, only that he came off as a guy with his head on straight and seemed well spoken. This was in 2006 and just before the draft though...

 

[rookBoston]

Welker and Vrabel, sure... let's not forget Randy Moss who, under Oakland coaching, was such an incredible bust that no one was willing to give the Raiders a 3rd rounder.

I wanted Carpenter for the Pats ahead of Moroney, and I still think he's a great fit for us. If he's a bust in Dallas, that means nothing about what he would or could be for us.

Bring him in. Even if he never does anything for us more than Derrick Alexander, he's still worth a 3rd.

 

[Clonamery]

Others who've seen them play...like WHOM? The coach of the Cowboys? He benched them. So why don't you defer to HIS judgement? He doesn't know as much as YOU?

Yes, the nuances say a guy who has hardly seen the field is worth a 3rd round draft pick. OK. Brilliant.

If BB said it I'd believe it. You? No.

I meant, read the other posts here.....(rook, ochmed, et al)

 

[MightyFooda]

No Offence but both of them stink...when i saw the name M. Spears for a while i had him confused with Demarcus Ware. Now D Ware is a player i would give up alot for. Spears is getting up there in age and Carpenter have not lived up to his draft billing.

Man, imagine Ware in the Pats d. Rotate him with Rosey and Vrabel, move Thomas and maybe Vrabel too inside. MMMMmmmmmmmm, I get shivers. Pats get any kind of young stud LB at any of the positions, I promise you they will only allow 13 points a game tops.
hell, this year, this "weak" D was only letting up 14.1 per game before the Giants played em!
Which makes me think, if the Pats go undefeated next year too, will Bill Polians head explode like that french archaelogist at the end of Raiders? I am putting the line at 3 to 1 odds right now, any takers?

 

[ayjackson]

There's no way that Carpenter hits waivers this year. He was very good on ST and provides excellent depth at the LB position. The Cowboys did not lose a single man-game to injury at the LB position this year - which is why Carpenter didn't see the field much in the base defence. Kevin Burnett played excellent in the nickel.

Carpenter would carry about a $2-3m cap hit if cut or traded. For this reason, the only way he's not on their team next year is if they get a half-decent pick back.

Justin Rogers played well on ST too for the Cowboys, fwiw.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Man, imagine Ware in the Pats d. Rotate him with Rosey and Vrabel, move Thomas and maybe Vrabel too inside. MMMMmmmmmmmm, I get shivers. Pats get any kind of young stud LB at any of the positions, I promise you they will only allow 13 points a game tops.
hell, this year, this "weak" D was only letting up 14.1 per game before the Giants played em!
Which makes me think, if the Pats go undefeated next year too, will Bill Polians head explode like that french archaelogist at the end of Raiders? I am putting the line at 3 to 1 odds right now, any takers?

Ware is a stud yes. But he's not the one getting shopped, Carpenter is.
Don't get your players mixed up.
Carpenter has been a bust thus far. I wouldn't offer more than a 4th for him at this point.
If we somehow get another extra third from moving down, I might be willing to give up the Pats 3rd round pick at the end of the round.

Don't get your hopes up though.
We swapped Bethel to the Saints to try a reclamation project on Sullivan, and that didn't work out so well did it?

 

[patsfan55]

Don't get your hopes up though.
We swapped Bethel to the Saints to try a reclamation project on Sullivan, and that didn't work out so well did it?

that's funny, as soon as i started thinkin about bringin in carpenter sullivan's name popped into my head
still, if bru and seau decide to hang up the cleats we may need all the help at lb that we can get

 

[MightyFooda]

Ware is a stud yes. But he's not the one getting shopped, Carpenter is.
Don't get your players mixed up.
Carpenter has been a bust thus far. I wouldn't offer more than a 4th for him at this point.
If we somehow get another extra third from moving down, I might be willing to give up the Pats 3rd round pick at the end of the round.

Don't get your hopes up though.
We swapped Bethel to the Saints to try a reclamation project on Sullivan, and that didn't work out so well did it?

I didn't get my players mixed up, someone else was talking about what a stud War is and I was just thinking outloud about how nice it will be to get another young LB in the mix.
I know who plays what on which teams and if their available thanks.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I didn't get my players mixed up, someone else was talking about what a stud War is and I was just thinking outloud about how nice it will be to get another young LB in the mix.
I know who plays what on which teams and if their available thanks.

But what you typed implied that Carpenter would be as much of a stud as Ware, which seems erroneous considering the circumstances.
So let's clarify your position then, do you believe that Carpenter is a "young stud linebacker" or not?

 

[MightyFooda]

But what you typed implied that Carpenter would be as much of a stud as Ware, which seems erroneous considering the circumstances.
So let's clarify your position then, do you believe that Carpenter is a "young stud linebacker" or not?

Well since I never uttered Carpenter's name, I don't know how that could be the case, but no, I don't think he is a stud, nor do I think he will be one. Just another run of the mill player, that will probably be overpaid because of his size and athleticism, who cares if he sucks right?
So no, I don't think so.

 

[everlong]

If Glenn is truly done in Dallas would you trade Jackson straight up for Carpenter? Dallas is loaded at LB and we are loaded at receiver so you trade two players with upside who have been disappointing partially due to injuries, partially due to depth at the position, and potentially due to other factors such as not understanding the scheme.

Obviously our receiver situation is based on bringing back Moss and Stallworth or Washington.

 

[Remix 6]

If Glenn is truly done in Dallas would you trade Jackson straight up for Carpenter? Dallas is loaded at LB and we are loaded at receiver so you trade two players with upside who have been disappointing partially due to injuries, partially due to depth at the position, and potentially due to other factors such as not understanding the scheme.

Obviously our receiver situation is based on bringing back Moss and Stallworth or Washington.

the Cowboys arent loaded at LB. They gave Carpenter a shot to play OLB while Ellis was out for half year..didnt work out. Bradie James should not be starting ahead of a first round talent. Its just that Carpenter hasnt grasped the scheme or just doesnt fit in it. Im 1 of those who thought with Wade Phillips's 3-4..that he could actually do something decent. Couldnt do it in with Parcells nor Wade


i'd keep Jackson.

 

[chowder]

If Carpenter didn't work out at OLB, can he still be effective at ILB since that's where we will be really thin if Seau and Bruschi retire/graduate. If the Pats think he can fit into our defense, i'd be willing to give a 4th rounder for him. Like many here, i originally wanted him in the first round when he came out and was disappointed that the Cowboys got him first. he may still be effective in the right system.

 

[everlong]

the Cowboys arent loaded at LB. They gave Carpenter a shot to play OLB while Ellis was out for half year..didnt work out. Bradie James should not be starting ahead of a first round talent. Its just that Carpenter hasnt grasped the scheme or just doesnt fit in it. Im 1 of those who thought with Wade Phillips's 3-4..that he could actually do something decent. Couldnt do it in with Parcells nor Wade


i'd keep Jackson.

Loaded might be the wrong term but Bradie James simply exploded this year. He was awful last year and he just clicked with Phillips system. One of the most improved players from 06 to 07.