Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune [merged]

[BelichickFan]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

Point taken (though I hope BB has a better gameplan in mind than the last time they met).

You must be forgetting the playoff game

 

[FarScapeR]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

Childress is a dolt if he thinks he got the better of Belichick on this one. If Bill called about anything, I'd bet it was to find out about Herron. I highly doubt that in a situation where every spot counts, a smart guy like Belichick would sign an ST linebacker to the roster out of "revenge", especially given the roster leeway NE has anyways (Harrison, Asante). IMO, the FO was planning to bring back either Rivers or Mills and Minnesota just made the choice easier.

 

[PatsFan37]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

It wasn't bad enough that bb wanted to called to twist Childress' arm? You wanted Kraft to also stoop to the same low level? It really isn'y something Kraft would do. If there was a real issue between the teams, then I would agree, the owners are close and could work things out. For example, had the discussion taken place last week, we might have gotten a sixth from Minny.

I have to agree with you here. The NFL is a legal cartel and they're allowed to collude in certain ways (revenue sharing, salary cap) and not in others. Colluding in a manner that limits a player's ability to make a roster and therefore to make rookie minimum salary would seem to violate the CBA.

I doubt Kraft would get involved in that (and PatJew, I understand you're not suggesting Kraft would do that if he knows it's illegal or against the CBA).

 

[ayjackson]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

Childress is a dolt if he thinks he got the better of Belichick on this one. If Bill called about anything, I'd bet it was to find out about Herron. I highly doubt that in a situation where every spot counts, a smart guy like Belichick would sign an ST linebacker to the roster out of "revenge", especially given the roster leeway NE has anyways (Harrison, Asante). IMO, the FO was planning to bring back either Rivers or Mills and Minnesota just made the choice easier.

This is what I was thinking too. BB was probably just probing for information on the Vikes' plans for Herron. And he got just the info that he was looking for.

 

[RayClay]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

I have to agree with you here. The NFL is a legal cartel and they're allowed to collude in certain ways (revenue sharing, salary cap) and not in others. Colluding in a manner that limits a player's ability to make a roster and therefore to make rookie minimum salary would seem to violate the CBA.

I doubt Kraft would get involved in that (and PatJew, I understand you're not suggesting Kraft would do that if he knows it's illegal or against the CBA).

NFL coaches and GMs would never collude around draft time or cut down time.

It would be wrong.

Of course Kraft wouldn't be involved, why would he?

 

[DefenseRules]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

This is ridiculous. The season is about to start and people are getting worked up over practice squad players. Give me a break. BB called the damn coach to ask a favor, the dude said no. END OF STORY. If Childress wants to run around and pump up his chest in the media because he feels that he's getting one over on BB, so be it. GO AHEAD BUDDY, POP YOUR COLLAR.

BB did nothing wrong in asking, unless there is some rule in the CBA that says that he's not supposed to ask and I've never heard of such a rule.
You all think that this stuff doesn't happen all the time? Please. Teams are always trying to sneak players through waivers. IMHO, that conversation never should have hit the media, it seems very unprofessional to me, and he did it with malicious intent. You better believe that other coaches in the league will be careful how they do business with this clown in the future.

Lastly, we don't know the exact content of this conversation. Only what Childress "said took place". I've already been duped by one media report that BB said something. This better not be another attempt to put words in BB's mouth.

 

[SVN]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

This is from the Star Tribune in Minn. Man, BB doesn't mess around!!

why would childress make it public ? Perhaps he is playing it to the media that he has signed some awesome ben coates kinda tight end. Idiotic to release coaches conversations. BB never does that.

 

[NE_PATS_FAN_54]

Brad Childress/Belichick confrontation concerning Garrett Mills

havent seen this on here:

The Vikings were awarded former New England TE Garrett Mills today on waivers, according to a report in the Boston Globe.

Mills was a fourth-round draft pick last year but was placed on injured reserve midway through the season. The Patriots wanted to put him on their practice squad so badly that coach Bill Belichick called Vikings coach Brad Childress this morning about him. As Childress recounted during an appearance on WCCO-AM’s Softballs with Sid, Belichick apparently was suggesting he would claim a Vikings castoff if the Vikings did not back off of his player.

According to Childress, Belichick said: “Is there any way that you don’t take our guy and we don’t take your guy?”

Childress said he replied: “Well, I’m really interested in your guy. We’ll have to let our guy slide.”

“He didn’t really care for that,” Childress said. “He was trying to leverage. You always find out who is honest and straightforward.”

UPDATE: Belichick wasn’t lying. The Patriots were the team that claimed LB David Herron, whom the Vikings liked as a special teams guy and hoped to stash on the practice squad.

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/vikings/?p=923

 

[RayClay]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

I'm sure Herron is excited.

Yeeeeeah! I got picked up by a team whose coach is acting like a 3 year old who just had his toy Tonka stolen, not because of the player I am.

He's an inside linebacker. If you follow the team (which I doubt) you'd know it is our biggest need for the future.

 

[ctsports]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

Big Difference between asking someone or basically trying to bribe them by threatening to take one of their players. Belichick has always been the personification of "Class".

They didn't take one of the Vikings players. They took a guy that the Vikings cut. Minnesota has no more right to Herron than the Pats did to Mills. BB put forth a proposal to Childress and he decided he'd rather have Mills than Herron. Notwithstanding Childress' grandstanding for his local press, it's really as simple as that.

 

[DarrylS]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

We'll see how all this works on by Dec. 29th, for Childress to report this is beyond what is expected of him. My Bro in law is a Minny fan, and he does not care for him primarily because he has a really p..ss poor relationship with the press.

 

[bokonon]

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Just for some perspective on all this, an honest question: who is the best "former practice squad" player in the NFL? I tend think future stars, or even major contributors, don't come from there, hence this whole kerfluffle is no big deal. We're talking about 2 guys who will quite possibly be out of the league in a couple years, or on yet another team;s practice squad, right?

 

[BTTA]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

I'm sure Herron is excited.

Yeeeeeah! I got picked up by a team whose coach is acting like a 3 year old who just had his toy Tonka stolen, not because of the player I am.

There are gentleman's rules in the NFL coaching fraternity which Belichick helped write and the Minn coach is still learning, and apparently not very well.

By asking a fellow coach to trade favors, he is simply following the code, not acting like a child. Your interpretation of the situation might warrant that characterization, however.

 

[Urgent]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

Then that was just plain stupid.

The Patriots cut down to 51 players. If they wanted Mills on the practice squad, all they had to do was keep him on the team through the weekend, as a 52nd player, and then make the transaction when all the other teams had completed their rosters. The chances of a team dropping a player after the roster is already set are lower.

There was no reason to release him. The Patriots obviously erred.

 

[Urgent]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

Further, this could be interpreted as an attempt to go outside the collective bargaining process and collude to prevent Mills from earning a full roster spot, instead paying him as a practice squad player. This is the kind of thing the union might be interested in.

The re-signing of Rivers indicates that the Patriots did in fact intend to keep one more tight end.

Again, this whole thing was a mistake, and potentially a dangerous mistake for the team.

 

[ctsports]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

Further, this could be interpreted as an attempt to go outside the collective bargaining process and collude to prevent Mills from earning a full roster spot, instead paying him as a practice squad player. This is the kind of thing the union might be interested in.

The re-signing of Rivers indicates that the Patriots did in fact intend to keep one more tight end.

Again, this whole thing was a mistake, and potentially a dangerous mistake for the team.

Not likely. Mills is on a 4th round draft choice rookie contract (in other words, not big money). If the Pats successfully moved him to the practice squad it was being done so they could replace him with someone else making about the same money or perhaps a veteran making even more. Similarly, if he didn't go to Minnesota, the Vikings would have kept someone else on their roster making similar or better money. That's hardly the type of result that would upset the union.

 

[Pats726]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

I think they wanted a look at Herron irregardless of whether or not the Vikes were going after Mills or not. Mills is cut Herron is cut...what is the timing of putting in for a player off waivers?? Would the Patriots even KNOW of the Vikes and Mills at that time?? Somehow it doesn't make a lot of sense...I think Herron will be a good addition to the team,

 

[PatsFan37]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

Not likely. Mills is on a 4th round draft choice rookie contract (in other words, not big money). If the Pats successfully moved him to the practice squad it was being done so they could replace him with someone else making about the same money or perhaps a veteran making even more. Similarly, if he didn't go to Minnesota, the Vikings would have kept someone else on their roster making similar or better money. That's hardly the type of result that would upset the union.

I don't know what PS players get, I think it's close to a normal working guy's salary. Rookie minimum is more like a quarter million. If you were Mills, would that make a difference to you?

This stuff might be small potatoes on the salary cap, but in real dollar terms for low end players, it's a lot of money.

 

[ctsports]

Re: Signing Herron WAS revenge says Star Tribune

I don't know what PS players get, I think it's close to a normal working guy's salary. Rookie minimum is more like a quarter million. If you were Mills, would that make a difference to you?

This stuff might be small potatoes on the salary cap, but in real dollar terms for low end players, it's a lot of money.

True, but for the union as a whole it doesn't really make a lot of difference and might even be a net positive. Plus, as in the Yates situation, the Pats have shown a willingness to pay certain practice squad players above the minimum. Perhaps they would do the same with Mills. Even if they didn't, one would think that the union wouldn't want to punish a team that has been generous to lower echelon union members.

 

[marcus]

Was Childress accusing BB of being dishonest?

In his quote he saYs "..you find out who is straightforward and honest"


i HOPE HE WAS NOT IMPLYING bb IS NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD OR HONEST


This I am sure BB will neveer forget