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If Goodells's role is diminished or he is out, it will be because he continues to spend obscene amounts of money embarrassing the NFL by losing in court over and over and the damage being done by the NFLPA's litigation team
 
I never thought the day would come where posting on Patsfans that I support our owner who has brought a type of success all but a few teams in the NFL could even dream about let alone the woebegone team I started rooting for in 1985 would be considered controversial. But here we are.

I think Kraft thought he did the right thing and I'm glad he's our owner. His big mistake was backing Goodell through Ray Rice, not capitulating to the lost draft pick considering that the options for recourse he had would have been, by and large, symbolic or Pyrrhic at best.

Symbolism is important. Uniforms, logos, banner, trophies, rings and so on are symbols, and I doubt you'd say they're all trivial or unimportant.

Further, I think Kraft could have done better in imposing a PR cost on the league for screwing the Patriots. Instead, the league BENEFITS from doing so, which is a big part of why they went back for another drink from the pick-theft well.

The league was wrong to think it would benefit specifically from screwing Brady. But specifically in screwing the Pats, it enhances parity and mollifies most fans and most owners, without enough offsetting costs to make that have been a bad choice.
 
Kraft big mistake was caving in on spygate. The Patriots were not 'spying' the felt the league office interpreted the rules incorrectly - misquoting the rule book and making new rules. Kraft decided to side with Goodell. We are very lucky BB didn't walk out then..

Kraft doesn't have some super secret genius behind the scenes plan. Just because he is rich - that doesn't make him a genius. There are guys with genius IQs that end up filing papers - and their are billionaires that are merely above average. Luck plays a factor in business.. Don't be fooled..
 
Kraft big mistake was caving in on spygate. The Patriots were not 'spying' the felt the league office interpreted the rules incorrectly - misquoting the rule book and making new rules. Kraft decided to side with Goodell. We are very lucky BB didn't walk out then..

Kraft doesn't have some super secret genius behind the scenes plan. Just because he is rich - that doesn't make him a genius. There are guys with genius IQs that end up filing papers - and their are billionaires that are merely above average. Luck plays a factor in business.. Don't be fooled..

By caving in, you mean the owners aren't bound by the commissioners decisions on discipline?
 
By caving in, you mean the owners aren't bound by the commissioners decisions on discipline?
Owners can and have appealed such decisions. An appeal would have brought more information to light and offered the team a larger voice in the PR battle. By folding his hand too quickly Kraft lost an opportunity. Smart businessmen aren't always smart about everything. There was nothing smart about Krafts actions in this instance.
 
I do not agree with what Kraft did, but I understand why he did it.. he did not want to make any more publicity that this caused as that would have effected the whole NFL...

Think Kraft plays the "long game" better than most, while this has an immediate impact on this team, his goals are somewhere further down the line, it also shows confidence in BB ability to build a team... he did not amass a 2.6 billion dollar franchise by using "poor" business practices..
 
By caving in, you mean the owners aren't bound by the commissioners decisions on discipline?

Didn't say that. Kraft let the narrative be that the Patriots cheated. You can think of the people in prison who don't accept a deal for leniency(by admitting to a crime) - because well sometimes they didn't do it. They still have to serve the time - but if/when they get out (after say DNA exonerates them) instead of being known as a murder - they get known as someone wrongfully imprisoned.

Because kraft caved the first time - the second time the Patriots were accused - everyone thought they did it - simply because they had done 'something' before. Get convicted for a crime you didn't commit and even if you get out early - if they bring you in for another crime - everyone will think you did that one too.

Don't cave in and admit to something you didn't do. Far to many people in prison can tell you how that works out..Kraft was naïve and just plain stupid. He gained no great 'power' from caving the first time - just like a criminal doesn't really come out ahead when he admits to something he didn't do..

You appeal - you never admit guilt - and you fight it. Just like Brady did.. Brady might be a dumb jock but when it comes to dealing with Bullies - he is a lot smarter then Kraft.
 
Symbolism is important. Uniforms, logos, banner, trophies, rings and so on are symbols, and I doubt you'd say they're all trivial or unimportant.

Further, I think Kraft could have done better in imposing a PR cost on the league for screwing the Patriots. Instead, the league BENEFITS from doing so, which is a big part of why they went back for another drink from the pick-theft well.

The league was wrong to think it would benefit specifically from screwing Brady. But specifically in screwing the Pats, it enhances parity and mollifies most fans and most owners, without enough offsetting costs to make that have been a bad choice.

How would he have imposed a PR cost on the league?
 
Didn't say that. Kraft let the narrative be that the Patriots cheated. You can think of the people in prison who don't accept a deal for leniency(by admitting to a crime) - because well sometimes they didn't do it. They still have to serve the time - but if/when they get out (after say DNA exonerates them) instead of being known as a murder - they get known as someone wrongfully imprisoned.

Because kraft caved the first time - the second time the Patriots were accused - everyone thought they did it - simply because they had done 'something' before. Get convicted for a crime you didn't commit and even if you get out early - if they bring you in for another crime - everyone will think you did that one too.

Don't cave in and admit to something you didn't do. Far to many people in prison can tell you how that works out..Kraft was naïve and just plain stupid. He gained no great 'power' from caving the first time - just like a criminal doesn't really come out ahead when he admits to something he didn't do..

You appeal - you never admit guilt - and you fight it. Just like Brady did.. Brady might be a dumb jock but when it comes to dealing with Bullies - he is a lot smarter then Kraft.

So, he should have refused to acknowledge that the commissioner could impose discipline? What should he have done, specifically?

I haven't studied this, but wasn't Belichick informed before hand that he couldn't do what he did from a certain location, technicality or not?

It's true that some people maintain their innocence right up to the electric chair, while others cut deals. the whole thing is ridiculous, Goodell is a buffoon and the whole NFL front office should be fired and probably brought up on charges but...

You still need 20 sometyhin owners to boot him out and if you are an owner, you agreed to abide by discipline from the league and if you want to appeal it, you're just asking the same a hole who made the punishment to admit he was wrong when there is absolutely no reason he has to do that.

your other option is to sue the league to get rid of the anti-trust exemption and salary cap and hope after you've destroyed the league you can navigate better in a game of unlimited salaries, if the league itself can be resurrected and become as popular as it once was.

Or, you could bide your time, take the criticism, win on the field, and maneuver until you can get the commisioner castrated, losing the battle of public opinion and scare or neutralize idiot owners like drug addict Irsay into realizing goodell is poison for their lucrative product.

In the movies, you'd just gun down all the owners you don't like, say something catchy like "I'll be back" then force the remaining living owners to vote goodel out.

In real life, it will likely take some time, tactics and behind the scenes work.

Kraft made a mistake and didn't realize it until the ridiculous punishment came down. He fully expected an apology from, what he thought was, a yes man, and a yes man who owed him plenty, from the CBA deal to the lucrative contracts, like the one that's going to destroy ESPN.

Maybe he should have realized this buffoon was going to spend multimillions of dollars and a farce of a court case over a spurious charge based on a text in May about deflating footballs in autumn.

Brady was shocked; he laughed at it on air until he realized the bufoonissioner was serious. I almost drove off the road when I heard the punishment on the radio, but I guess you all saw this whole thing as predictable based on something that happened 8 years ago. I didn't. Brady didn't. Kraft didn't.

I think deposing the idiot, flushing his staff and sending Irsay to rehab is more important than some wild public display by the owner, but that's just me.
 
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How would he have imposed a PR cost on the league?
Kraft appeals and the number of people who feel that Pats were railroaded by an unjust boss goes up - and the league spends money to counteract that. That's a PR cost..

Kraft was dumb - and you should feel bad for starting a dumb thread.
1) Kraft's idea that Goodell would go easier on Brady backfired.
2) Kraft's theory that the controversy would die down backfired - people think that Patriots cheat now because he has caved twice. So he has invite more controversy - not less.
3) The idea that Kraft has created this 'power' position that he could use to leverage what he wants has backfired.

And what's amusing - is that I really think Kraft actually cares about the team. He hangs around in the locker after victories. He chats with the coaches - that's fun for him. He LIKES being an owner..

This idea that he only cares about the money is wrong - so even with the NFL making more money - like a lot of billonaires he doesn't really care. He already has billions. He wants to be a well loved NFL owner.. So even that is backfiring. Whoever was giving him advice - well he needs to find someone else. he has screwed up badly twice now.
 
So, he should have refused to acknowledge that the commissioner could impose discipline? What should he have done, specifically?

Huh? You get your ideas from Cartmann or something? What is it with you and authority. LMAO. Dude you DENY that your team purposely cheated. You issue a statement that the Patriots believed the memo was an error and that is why they ignored it.

You are arguing the idea that a crime was committed - not that the cops can't arrest/fine you. that's the sensible thing to do right? You don't tell the cops - you have no authority over me. You tell them hey you say I can't park there - but the sign says you CAN park there between 9am and 5pm.
 
Huh? You get your ideas from Cartmann or something? What is it with you and authority. LMAO. Dude you DENY that your team purposely cheated. You issue a statement that the Patriots believed the memo was an error and that is why they ignored it.

You are arguing the idea that a crime was committed - not that the cops can't arrest/fine you. that's the sensible thing to do right? You don't tell the cops - you have no authority over me. You tell them hey you say I can't park there - but the sign says you CAN park there between 9am and 5pm.
Yeah but they blew it up as it was stealing signals AND taping that was illegal when it was neither of those and the only illegal part was where they were taping. Why is it that Goodell's former employer that was taping in Foxborough a year before while the memo was out didn't get punished? Why didn't Braylon Edwards get suspended for a DUI? Why didn't the Jets get punished for tampering with Deion Branch, Brandon Marshall, DeSean Jackson, and Darelle Revis? That's 4x repeat offender status right there. Oh and Jets got to investigate THEMSELVES in tripgate. Why couldn't the Patriots do an internal investigation for deflategate?
 
What has he done to this point to make you think he would do anything like that?

That's actually sarcasm. You see, if he openly announced he was working behind the scenes, then it would be out in the open.
 
Huh? You get your ideas from Cartmann or something? What is it with you and authority. LMAO. Dude you DENY that your team purposely cheated. You issue a statement that the Patriots believed the memo was an error and that is why they ignored it.

You are arguing the idea that a crime was committed - not that the cops can't arrest/fine you. that's the sensible thing to do right? You don't tell the cops - you have no authority over me. You tell them hey you say I can't park there - but the sign says you CAN park there between 9am and 5pm.

I don't argue with cops.

I'd take a picture of the car and sign or something. they write the time on the ticket. Bring it to court.

By the way, Belichick did just what you said, he said he misinterpreted the rules.

The point is, you can diddle and daddle about this BS all you want. The NFL front office is corrupt and they have ultimate power. they have to be deposed and any PR attempt needs to be directed to that purpose and the only way to depose Goodell is by a vote of the owners.
 
Yeah but they blew it up as it was stealing signals AND taping that was illegal when it was neither of those and the only illegal part was where they were taping. Why is it that Goodell's former employer that was taping in Foxborough a year before while the memo was out didn't get punished? Why didn't Braylon Edwards get suspended for a DUI? Why didn't the Jets get punished for tampering with Deion Branch, Brandon Marshall, DeSean Jackson, and Darelle Revis? That's 4x repeat offender status right there. Oh and Jets got to investigate THEMSELVES in tripgate. Why couldn't the Patriots do an internal investigation for deflategate?

Because Goodell is corrupt and not just in the bag for the Jets, but totally fronting for a cadre of loser owners now too.
 
Because Goodell is corrupt and not just in the bag for the Jets, but totally fronting for a cadre of loser owners now too.

You'd think Kraft might try to point that out, instead of giving Goodell hugs and buddying up with him at billionaire's retreats. Apparently it's all the lawyers' faults.
 
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