The Published Wells Report.

[Jimke]

Does it mention anywhere in this report that footballs were tested by Columbia to see how much
air pressure was lost going from 72 degrees to 48 degrees? if not the report is incomplete.

 

[MuscleCarLover]

After thinking this all over I am just going to ignore it and hope there is just a fine or something. I defy you to be able to tell the difference of 1 - 1.5 psi in a football and we all know what happened in the 2nd half with the "correct" footballs. Also the Superbowl footballs were fine and Brady and company had maybe the two best drives I have ever seen in that game. All this is a waste of time and the commentators that keep saying how horrible this is are delusional and biased.

 

[SVN]

I wish brady or someone from the pats/media breaks down all the holes in the report. Otherwise no one will care to report the facts. Wish kraft had waited and formulated his statement with rebuttals and questions.

 

[SVN]

Dan Wetzel ‏@DanWetzel 8m8 minutes ago
Tom Brady probably isn't innocent, but the Wells Report sure doesn't prove he's guilty http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-probably-isn-t-innocent-in-deflate-gate--but-wells-report-fails-to-prove-he-s-guilty-223250553.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma…

 

[JMC00]

Love how all these mediots are coming out saying Brady should be suspended yet Aaron Rodgers went on record saying he over-inflates balls and tries to get them past the refs which it is "more probable than not" a lot of them were just given the feel test by the refs and allowed to be used.

 

[Satchboogie3]

"The texts show Brady was working with them to get the balls below spec, except for the part about 13 pounds, but don't worry about that.

As you can see here, all the Pats' balls were quite a bit below spec at halftime, so something is definitely up. The Colt's balls were also all below spec, but don't worry about that.

The balls originally started at 12.5 and 13.0 respectively. This is definitely accurate. It's actually all based on the recollections of an old referee, but don't worry about that.

Finally, based on our Super Scientific Evidence, we believe the Pats' balls should have lost (X) amount of pressure, but they deflated by more than that. Therefore the Pats (more likely than not) TAMPERED! Based on that same math, the Colts balls actually didn't lose nearly as much pressure as they should have, but as always, don't worry about that."

We need to sticky all these on-point arguments in one thread. It's just laughable. I'd like to actually talk to the professors who did the scientific analysis. I bet they would say that there were enough sources of error and assumptions to not be able to draw ANY conclusions from the half-time measurements and that using the Colt's balls as the control group was not a good basis of analysis considering the assumptions involved. The only worthwhile conclusion from the "scientific analysis" was that the Pats balls likely were roughly 12.5 PSI at room temperature (since it fits with both the ideal gas law and what the Brady had been saying he submits that balls at from day 1) and therefore the Colts balls must have been initially inflated at 13.5 PSI or beyond. That's the only legitimate conclusion that can be drawn, unfortunately it doesn't help well's smear job, so he doesn't look it at that angle...

 

[Seacoast Fan]

Another example of how this is a slanted report, from the Kraft statement:



Wells pulled this **** with Incognito/Martin, and he pulled this **** with deflategate.

Which is why the NFL keeps using him. That report probably cost $1 million In legal fees if not more.
There is no way he was gonna build that fee and then come back with a report that absolved the patriots or, God for bid, pointed the finger at the league in anyway
Wells is a defense lawyer by trade. He knows exactly how ******** the standard of "more probable than not that Brady was generally aware" is.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Wells spent four months investigating this whole thing exhaustively, and the most damning facts he could come up with were:

1. Brady refused to turn over his phone to them
2. Brady was pissed that the balls were 16 psi for the Jets game
3. Brady knew Jastremski, therefore by some weird transitive property he must also be well-enough acquainted with McNally that he must have been lying when stating he didn't know the guy's name.
4. The balls were deflated in almost every case by exactly as much as you would expect based on IGL

That's the *most incriminating* stuff they could come up with. Yeah, we're the delusional ones for not buying the full-****** non-conclusion that Brady was probably "generally aware" of some impropriety that "more likely than not" may have occurred.

 

[Kdo5]

Get ready fellow pats fans, the haters are coming out full force. Pitchforks and torches in hand.

Pshh. Nothing we aren't accustomed to.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Nothing really new. Simply more widespread. I'm done forever trying to argue against it. I've been on enough fools' errands in my life.

They can suck my popsicle.

 

[Satchboogie3]

4. The balls were deflated in almost every case by exactly as much as you would expect based on IGL

That's the *most incriminating* stuff they could come up with. Yeah, we're the delusional ones for not buying the full-****** non-conclusion that Brady was probably "generally aware" of some impropriety that "more likely than not" may have occurred.

No no no, you forgot, he tried to spin #4 the other direction. He DIDN'T directly say that the Patriots balls were within the expected half-time PSI, he said they weren't in the expected range compared to the Colts balls readings... assuming the pre-game readings were correct. He CLEARLY spun data to support a CLEARLY biased view. There is no other way to interpret that.

 

[Haley]

What a ******* joke. That's pretty much all there is to say. I cannot understand why the NFL takes exception to just Tom Brady and decides not to treat him like the asset he is for them. Had this been Manning, it'd have been swept under the rug whether the verdict was innocent or guilty.

 

[Ross12]

Here's a good nugget...

Sean Leahy ‏@leahysean 16m16 minutes ago
Error in Wells report: Claims @bkravitz broke story at 9:55p "mid-way through the second half" of AFC title game...

 

[goheels22002]

They can suck my popsicle.

Don't you mean, "It's more probable than not that they can suck your popsicle?"

Given the evidence and the way they relied on text messages, I have my doubts whether Ted Wells and his legal team can suck your popsicle, or each other's, for that matter.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Okay I'm on page 1 of this... if 100 people posted this reaction it should be posted again...

Doug Kyed ‏@DougKyedNESN 3m3 minutes ago
The Wells Report states "It is more probable than not" the Patriots were in involved in a deliberate effort to circumvent the rules.

Not good....

Yeah REALLY not good. That is NOT an investigative report. It is a PR document.

I loved the Kraft statement because he kept it 100... "Yes we'll comply; we have no choice. No, this ain't right."

 

[Ross12]

As we know, our friend Bob Kravitz broke the story AFTER the game, at 12:55 AM, after likely being tipped off by Irsay...

 

[karguy85]

Dan Wetzel ‏@DanWetzel 8m8 minutes ago
Tom Brady probably isn't innocent, but the Wells Report sure doesn't prove he's guilty http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-probably-isn-t-innocent-in-deflate-gate--but-wells-report-fails-to-prove-he-s-guilty-223250553.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma…

As well reasoned as we are going to get from the national media I fear. He makes some valid points, but I still think the conclusion accepts Wells's findings to easily.

 

[The Gr8est]

I read the early part of the thread and don't feel like wading through the rest right now. I expect many of us will be wading through the actual report and look for omissions.

Some examples:

Is Kensil mentioned at all? Was he interviewed?

What about the ball that was intercepted by the Colts, who measured it? When and where?

What about the conflicting reports that D'Quell Jackson alternatively claimed it felt soft and that it didn't feel soft?

What about the conflicting reports where Grigson claims to have reported it to the league, but many league officials knew nothing about it?

When and how did the Colts previous suspicions about underinflated balls first become manifest since the Pats did not have access to the balls on the road?

That is for starters.

 

[patsfan13]

I agree but see it as more than that. The Patriots let themselves get into this situation knowing the incredible scrutiny they are always under. Again Im disappointed as a fan of them. While I think "probable" is unfair I also think someone did deliberately deflate the balls and im not sure who was involved.

Well you could always root for the Jets if you think Brady is a cheater, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

 

[reflexblue]

I Hear Ya. And I agree If Brady told BB & Kraft he didn't do it and come to find out otherwise, yes it certainly would be. But with that said, I could give a FK what anybody thinks outside of Pats Nation at this point when they should look in their own mirrors. Especially living here in NY I've heard it all. Brady and Pats were Doomed by Public Opionion regardless of outcome. Haters are gonna Hate. BTW I watched SB49 again and I still luv'da ending!

Yes, this is WAR. Fck the leauge, fck the other teams, and Fck the other teams fans. And fck the media. everywhere i go on the net i read how the pats are guilty, thats not what the wells report said. If the league tries to suspend Brady because Wells says he Thinks Brady might have know, Sue. Take the league to court and make them Prove Brady knew the balls were under-inflated. Because how can someone be suspended because someone else thinks they Might have known something.