Let's talk football: Brady, Wilson both get to the Super Bowl without enough weapons

[Deus Irae]

Yes, Denver and Green Bay, the teams with more firepower in each conference, both imploded. But beyond that, the Patriots and Seahawks both beat a physical opponent (Ravens/Panthers) and an offensive power (Colts/Packers) to get where they are, even though they were both realistically short of offensive talent, particularly in the WR area.


A tribute to the defenses?
A tribute to the coaches?
A tribute to the QBs?
Just the luck of matchups?


Discuss.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

i just ate korean short ribs. it was damn good.

 

[Kontradiction]

All of the above, pretty much. Both defenses have played excellent football and have stepped up when needed, the coaching staffs for putting them in a position to succeed. Brady has had an excellent postseason, throwing 6 TD's and 2 INT's. One could argue it's his best postseason since 2007. Wilson I can't say the same. Against a better defense, he could have cost his team the NFCCG (though he did make the money throw when he needed to). Finally, good match-ups have played a part in it as well. Seahawks/Panthers and Pats/Colts. Both did have tough tests as well though.

 

[Deus Irae]

i just ate korean short ribs. it was damn good.

Kahlbi ribs are, indeed, delicious. They suck in coverage, though.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

wifey marinated it with kiwi, orange, pear, sake, pineapple, garlic, tangerine peels, onion, green onion, brown sugar, and soy sauce. and i charcoal grilled that bad boy and ate like there was no tomorrow

 

[Deus Irae]

wifey marinated it with kiwi, orange, pear, sake, pineapple, garlic, tangerine peels, onion, green onion, brown sugar, and soy sauce. and i charcoal grilled that bad boy and ate like there was no tomorrow

Where'd you get the ribs? Getting them cut that way can be a bit difficult.*










* Clearly we're already OT

 

[Satchboogie3]

How are we determining what "enough" is here? They both got to the Superbowl and one will win it, shouldn't that qualify as "enough". Heck, when your name is Tom Brady, there is no such thing as "without enough weapons". It doesn't matter, he's proven he can get us here no matter who's catching the ball. Anyways, I think we have pretty good weapons: Gronk, Edelman, Lafell, Wright (endzone threat), Vreen in the passing game, and Blount to run guys over. Not '07 good, but I like the physicality.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

Well, I don't agree with the notion that the patriots don't have enough weapons.........I mean, didn't they rank pretty high in offense this year? That, plus the fact they made it to the SB..........I just don't see where this "without enough weapons" argument even comes from. I think they have a pretty darn good offense.

 

[Deus Irae]

I just don't see where this "without enough weapons" argument even comes from...

In a league build around the pass, the Patriots had 2 WR and 1 TE for most of the season. That's not enough. But the topic I'm trying set up is about how the two teams got to the SB even with their offensive deficiencies. I do, absolutely, grant that a Kahlbi rib discussion is a very tasty side topic.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

Where'd you get the ribs? Getting them cut that way can be a bit difficult.*










* Clearly we're already OT

sams club has it

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

In a league build around the pass, the Patriots had 2 WR and 1 TE for most of the season. That's not enough. But the topic I'm trying set up is about how the two teams got to the SB even with their offensive deficiencies. I do, absolutely, grant that a Kahlbi rib discussion is a very tasty side topic.

And they scored at a high level for most of the season.........ranked 4th overall in points scored......I mean, I don't see how you can call that "not enough weapons". Its about production, and they produced almost 30 points per game this season not including the playoffs where they scored alot of points there, too. I don't consider this patriots team a team with offensive deficiencies *not enough to complain about anyway*. They aren't perfect, but they are a good offense. I guess I just don't agree with the picture you are trying to paint.

 

[Tunescribe]

Where'd you get the ribs? Getting them cut that way can be a bit difficult.

Never mind that -- where'd he get the wife who made that marinade?

Regarding the game: I'll be interested to see if Tyms is active, as well as Gray.

 

[JayNM]

Both teams mostly relied on defense and coaching to get here, Seattle with a bigger inclination towards the former and the NE towards the latter. Nevertheless, both offenses are very, very effective. I can't really say they are flashy or get the notoriety that the Packers possess, for example. However, they both have 2 monsters there, creating trouble from the trenches to the secondary. Pats have Gronk. Seahawks have Lynch.The way I see it, this is an incredible match up. Both teams are similar, but each one with their own intrinsically unique characteristic.

EDIT: I gotta say. I don't know why, but i think brady will be lights out and make the whole difference (even more than the usual). I know it's going to be tough as hell, but ****, i'm optimistic

 

[Deus Irae]

And they scored at a high level for most of the season.........ranked 4th overall in points scored......I mean, I don't see how you can call that "not enough weapons". Its about production, and they produced almost 30 points per game this season not including the playoffs where they scored alot of points there, too. I don't consider this patriots team a team with offensive deficiencies *not enough to complain about anyway*. They aren't perfect, but they are a good offense. I guess I just don't agree with the picture you are trying to paint.

The 2000 Ravens won the Super Bowl with Tony Banks and Trent Dilfer as their QBs. Are you really going to try pretending that their QB position wasn't a deficiency?

Seriously, you really need to learn the difference between overcoming adversity and winning from strength. Take off the homer goggles.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

The 2000 Ravens won the Super Bowl with Tony Banks and Trent Dilfer as their QBs. Are you really going to try pretending that their QB position wasn't a deficiency?

Seriously, you really need to learn the difference between overcoming adversity and winning from strength. Take off the homer goggles.

What in the world does that have to do with this patriots team? I'm talking about this patriots team. I am not talking about the 2000 ravens or any other football team. I gave you numbers to back up my claims that this offense was not as bad as you are trying to make it out to be and all you do is tell me to "take off my homer goggles" because I don't agree with you. I think the patriots have enough weapons and I think they have a good offense. Them being in the SB and the stats back up my claim. If you have enough weapons to make/win the SB and rank HIGH in offense then you have enough weapons, period.

If you wanna make this out to be some crazy "OMG the patriots made the SB with absolutely no weapons" storyline to feel better about them being here be my guest... but I don't agree, at all. They have enough weapons. Not once this season did them not having enough weapons even cross my mind.

 

[Deus Irae]

What in the world does that have to do with this patriots team?

If you can't figure out something that obvious, you have my sympathies.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

If you can't figure out something that obvious, you have my sympathies.

Ok, cherry pick the easiest parts of my post to respond to and ignore everything else, cool. Nothing backs up your claim that the patriots don't have enough weapons but you can keep rolling with it if you please.

 

[Coach42]

I believe the term that needs to be used here is complimentary football. Best version of it we've seen since '04

 

[supafly]

New England

I think NE was helped by better personnel on defense, since we usually see a stingier defense down the stretch from about Thanksgiving on. This year we were actually able to see the "plan" really come in to shape.

I think the difficulty of that middle part of the schedule likely helped, from both an experience and gameplanning perspective.

I also believe that many times in the postseason, opponent matchups are key as well, and we faced a very favorable seeding matchup with #6 BAL and then #4 IND. Can't get much better than that without throwing CIN in the mix. That certainly helped the cause, as did home field advantage--much like SEA.


Seattle

I think SEA was the benefit of something altogether opposite in terms of their scheduling. Their lack of quality opponents down the stretch really allowed them to take advantage of some bad offenses, which obviously enabled their defense to gel. As the defense gelled, their confidence grew, and their "swagger" returned.

They too, drew a fairly favorable matchup vs. CAR at home after earning the bye week. As we know, there was also some late game magic last week vs. Green Bay with the way the ball bounced on the onside kick, etc.

Both teams were aided by the fact that they didn't have a tremendous amount of injuries, which always helps the cause.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok, cherry pick the easiest parts of my post to respond to and ignore everything else, cool. Nothing backs up your claim that the patriots don't have enough weapons but you can keep rolling with it if you please.

I didn't cherry pick anything. I quoted your first sentence and left it at that. It's not my fault if you can't see the obvious because you're too much of a homer. The Patriots finished #3 in scoring last year, so that team mustn't have needed any more offensive weapons either, by your logic, yet Belichik saw fit to bring in LaFell and Wright for some reason, while cutting Kenbrell Thompkins. The defense had also finished in the top 10 in scoring in 2012 and 2013, yet Belichick still brought in Browner and Revis. Let me know when the Patriots field a team of 53 All Pros and have absolutely no holes in their roster, though.