Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

[Mv1029]

I would love to give those refs a polygraph and ask them if they put a gauge in all 24 balls prior to the game or in any of the balls for that matter.

 

[JMC00]

They did not put this on record.

Maybe i'm wrong but this just pretty much tells us the refs either messed up and the NFL doesn't want to look incompetent or they found absolutely no evidence of tampering but are gonna keep dragging this on. Because the NFL would rather have everyone next week talking about PSI than Goodell's incompetence

 

[OhExaulted1]

Maybe i'm wrong but this just pretty much tells us the refs either messed up and the NFL doesn't want to look incompetent or they found absolutely no evidence of tampering but are gonna keep dragging this on. Because the NFL would rather have everyone next week talking about PSI than Goodell's incompetence

 

[BradyManny]

Maybe i'm wrong but this just pretty much tells us the refs either messed up and the NFL doesn't want to look incompetent or they found absolutely no evidence of tampering but are gonna keep dragging this on. Because the NFL would rather have everyone next week talking about PSI than Goodell's incompetence

Sorry, they did say:

Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game.

Which we can debate whether its a satisfactory remark or not.

 

[chasa]

I don't feel like reading that crap statement so someone help me out

-Did the NFL go on record in it saying the refs properly checked the balls before the game?

And I see that they say they were underinflated, yet they don't tell us how much by. Why not?

they said the balls were between 12.5 and 13.5 psi.

Basically no, they didn't say they were properly checked, at this point the NFL should be focusing on the refs. If he can't tell you the exact psi of each ball when they were first approved, then the investigation should be over. and this statement should be released

"during this review The NFL has had the oppotuntinity to learn a great deal about ways we can work with the teams and the referee teams in order to secure the proper amount of game balls. It has come to light that our process and documentation of this part of the game preperation is woefully deficient and moving forward we will work with the owners, and officials on new standards required for pregame ball approval and selection, some of those measures include recording the testing of the balls, as well as keeping the balls locked up inside as a means of eliminating balls becoming prematurely deflated due to inclement weather. In addition we will be changing the wording of the rules for proper ball inflation to read all footballs must be exactly 13.5 psi at gametime, and no more then 1 psi in either direction when tested at both half time, and after the game."

 

[OhExaulted1]

 

[SVN]

Its entirey possible that Pats inflated to 12.5 at start and it fell below in the weather and then inflated to 13.5 at half and it didnt fall below limit. Without mentioning the PSI info this is horrible way of letting the pats twist in the wind.

 

[JMC00]

Sorry, they did say:

Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game.

Which we can debate whether its a satisfactory remark or not.

Which is basically another way of them saying if the refs did not check PSI (which they probably didn't) aren't going to fall on the sword for this one.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Interesting no comment to PSI measurements, or the balls pre-game.

What do you mean? The statement says:

The investigation began based on information that suggested that the game balls used by the New England Patriots were not properly inflated to levels required by the playing rules, specifically Playing Rule 2, Section 1, which requires that the ball be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. Prior to the game[, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game.

(my emphasis).

I mean you can choose to believe that the refs did the squeeze test pregame instead of a real measurement, but the NFL is now officially saying the refs confirmed they were inflated properly pre-game. Maybe it's a lie (probably isn't, though), but it is the NFL's official position, which is all that's gonna matter to whatever the NFL is eventually gonna do.

 

[upstater1]

There is no way that Brady and Belichick would lie on this. No way.

I've been wrong before on this, but no way.

Bring on the forensic teams!

 

[upstater1]

I don't feel like reading that crap statement so someone help me out

-Did the NFL go on record in it saying the refs properly checked the balls before the game?

And I see that they say they were underinflated, yet they don't tell us how much by. Why not?

They basically said the refs completed the procedure but they did not specify the process.

So the answer to your question is, YES and NO.

Satisfied?

 

[BradyManny]

What do you mean? The statement says:



(my emphasis).

I mean you can choose to believe that the refs did the squeeze test pregame instead of a real measurement, but the NFL is now officially saying the refs confirmed they were inflated properly pre-game. Maybe it's a lie (probably isn't, though), but it is the NFL's official position, which is all that's gonna matter to whatever the NFL is eventually gonna do.

If Pats were 12.5 @ start, we know it would be less later per just about every scientists except that non-chairman BC guy. That they were under inflated later shouldn't surprise anyone. Nothing prohibits them from doing so, I might add.

We need to know exact PSI pre-game, and PSI mid-game, to know if there was tampering.

 

[SVN]

All this crap started about the single leak from NFL about the 2PSI drop in pressure and now the NFL not mentioning the PSI at all.... Without the leak this would not be a big deal . I officially hate mort.

 

[Kdo5]

There is no way that Brady and Belichick would lie on this. No way.

I've been wrong before on this, but no way.

Bring on the forensic teams!

I agree. I absolutely refuse to believe either had knowledge or responsibility for it. I cannot believe that Tom Brady would lie straight up to the media AND his team mates.

They are 40 interviews deep w/o a conclusion. It feels like they are grasping for straws.

 

[JMC00]

What do you mean? The statement says:


I mean you can choose to believe that the refs did the squeeze test pregame instead of a real measurement, but the NFL is now officially saying the refs confirmed they were inflated properly pre-game. Maybe it's a lie (probably isn't, though), but it is the NFL's official position, which is all that's gonna matter to whatever the NFL is eventually gonna do.

Sorry but you can't honestly believe after the Ray Rice thing the NFL wouldn't lie if this was incompetence on their behalf.

I mean for **** sake when the tape was sent to them by the cop someone from the NFL gave the cop a verbal receipt that she received it yet somehow the farce investigation found that the NFL never received or saw the tape.

She was recorded as saying "You're right. It's terrible."

 

[OhExaulted1]

 

[Afam]

This Deflate story is not going away. That's all Mike Felger & Mazz are talking about. Such a shame. We should talking about the Super Bowl with two great teams playing and not this.

 

[upstater1]

What do you mean? The statement says:



(my emphasis).

I mean you can choose to believe that the refs did the squeeze test pregame instead of a real measurement, but the NFL is now officially saying the refs confirmed they were inflated properly pre-game. Maybe it's a lie (probably isn't, though), but it is the NFL's official position, which is all that's gonna matter to whatever the NFL is eventually gonna do.

You have to admit, it is mealy mouthed. The refs confirmed that the standard was satisfied.

They have to do better than that. Did the refs use a gauge?

"The refs used a gauge."

How hard is that?

 

[catent]

Mike Loyko @NEPD_Loyko · 25m25 minutes ago
If NE is complying fully with investigators and proving video, etc. Have to think they feel pretty confident they'll be exonerated

 

[Dr Pain]

I just ran this by another attorney and they agree that this is written by a lawyer and they have nothing at all. It is very important to see what is not included in this which should be.

At no point do they state the balls were deflated. They state the balls were under-inflated

3 points

1) Statement never state that the reffs physically measured PSI pregame and they do not provide the PSI drop. If the refs had done this it would have been spelled out and they would have used the word deflation or deflated which they do not use.
2) "While the evidence thus far supports the conclusion that footballs that were under-inflated were used by the Patriots in the first half, the footballs were properly inflated for the second half and confirmed at the conclusion of the game to have remained properly inflated." That balls inflated at halftime, probably outdoors world not deflate from temp drop so this is meaningless.
3) "We have not made any judgments on these points and will not do so until we have concluded our investigation and considered all of the relevant evidence."