Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

[sb1]

Football Zebras @footballzebras
Usually, although it gets mixed at times RT @Ryan_Dunton @adamfish each team uses their own footballs I believe
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Heh.

 

[upstater1]

Here are some questions:

Were all the balls in the Pats Bag underinflated?? Or was it one ball??... Would make no sense to have balls of differing pressure...

Could the underinflated ball cause the underthrow by Brady and subsequent interception??

What is the "chain of custody" after the interception, to a coach and then to an official?? Was there a time delay or could someone else have touched it prior to it getting to the official...

I don't know if this is the same with footballs but with soccer balls, there are big variations. We bought some premier game balls for a team I was coaching, and the balls (all Nike balls) varied widely. some were even dead balls. Same materials, but just no life. Others lost air quicker (and this wasn't even weather related). This was especially so when the balls were new. The best older balls were culled and maintained their consistency even until material failure of the outside.

 

[The Gr8est]

I LOVE "Deflate-gate"

LOVE IT!

You know why? BB already squeezes every ounce of perceived injustice or disrespect towards his team into a potent potion of champions. This was a gift from the heavens.

Pats just got another boost going into the SB, just as important as schemes or health, mentality. They'll play pissed off, and if they win, and this whole deflate-gate thing will be long forgotten.

Thank you very much Kravitz, Colts, and Patriot-hater nation.

If the NFL allows it. Remember the three non-calls against the Pats at the end of the 1st half vs the Colts?

Think Goodell wants the Pats and BB to be able to figuratively give the league a wedgie?

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

I can't wait till this is over. I like to listen to sports radio at my work site. It's NY's "The Fan". (I know, buts it's all I got). Craig Carton was actually not bad. A woman called (among many others), saying TB should be thrown out of the league. He's a bad influence on her grandkids. "Because he's cheated so many times".

Carton tore her a new one.

But Evan and Roberts went on all day (as well as their callers) about how many times BB cheated. Taping practices and walk throughs, bending and breaking rules...etc. Saying BB "is" cheating again. On and on, I think I heard the word "allegedly" once.

Every caller is convinced we "cheated again". The hosts and callers really have no clue of what really happened.

No matter what this come out as, it will be added as fact to list of rules broken. Francesa was the worst. I truly hate him. He's been going on for days about how it's BBs fault that he is always under scrutiny from being a repeat offender.

This is a big deal IMO and will glad when it's over. The whole thing is a joke. I'm sure most teams manipulate the pressure a bit. We really need to start calling foul when other teams "bend" rules that most teams do and consider trivial. Turn the table. We are a marked team, and need to expose the exposers.

Okay, I'm done with my rant. Bring on dislikes.

 

[ChesBay]

From a daily reader/lurker, who is, nevertheless highly invested in this forum:

Why hasn't anyone questioned the integrity of the game from the standpoint of the NFL and its internal processes?

Specifically speaking, I'm talking about the requirement for handling sensitive matters internal to the NFL only .... vs manipulating the matter by using external media informants (Kravitz, etc.), which only serves to confuse the investigative process while fomenting public controversy.

We know that the chain of events demonstrates the following linkage: D'Qwell Jackson (interception) --> ballboy --> Coach Pagano --> GM Grigson --> Owner Irsay --> NFL League Office (investigation). So shouldn't the NFL be investigating why the Colts chose to go outside this internal (to the NFL) chain, and employ the services of the media to either 1) buttress their position, 2) offset their embarrassing loss, or 3) knowingly wreak havoc on the Patriots' reputation amongst the League and its fans (before an investigative determination could even be made)?

Has anyone considered the possibility that the Patriots will be exonerated, while the Colts are the ones faced with penalties and public scorn? I'm wondering why the NFL isn't considering the potential ban of Grigson and/or Irsay (multiple offender) for taking such a course of action (thereby diminishing the NFL in the eyes of its fans/clientele).

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Kornholer and Wilbon just came up with a great idea. Have the NFL pay a guy to take care of the balls. Holy ****, how are these idiots paid to turn good air into noise. The NFL already ****ing does that! Did they miss the 74,000 articles on it? Jeebus, what's their next idea, have QBs throw forward passes?

 

[NENGFAN]

I can't wait till this is over. I like to listen to sports radio at my work site. It's NY's "The Fan". (I know, buts it's all I got). Craig Carton was actually not bad. A woman called (among many others), saying TB should be thrown out of the league. He's a bad influence on her grandkids. "Because he's cheated so many times". Carton tore her a new one. But Evan and Roberts went on all day (as well as their callers) about how many times BB cheated. Taping practices and walk throughs, bending and breaking rules...etc. Saying BB "is" cheating again. On and on, I think I heard the word "allegedly" once. Every caller is convinced we "cheated again". The Host's and callers really have no clue of what really happened. No matter what this come out as, it will be added as fact to list of rules broken. Francesa was the worst. I truly hate him. He's been going on for days about how it's BBs fault that he is always under scrutiny from being a repeat offender. This is a big deal IMO and will glad when it's over. The whole thing is a joke. I'm sure most teams manipulate the pressure a bit. We really need to start calling foul when other teams "bend" rules that most teams do and consider trivial. Turn the table. We are a marked team, and need to expose the exposers. Ok, I'm done with my rant. Bring on dislikes.

I used to like Fatseca but I am done with him in my books. Can you believe what he is saying? That the colts are correct and The ball that they would've given the referee would be the one in which there is no referee marker and that the Pats would have sneaked that ball into the ball pile. And basically saying that no matter what the league says - the Pats are guilty because of everything they have done in the past.

 

[pwes]

Kornholer and Wilbon just came up with a great idea. Have the NFL pay a guy to take care of the balls. Holy ****, how are these idiots paid to turn good air into noise. The NFL already ****ing does that! Did they miss the 74,000 articles on it? Jeebus, what's their next idea, have QBs throw forward passes?

A more reasonable option is to stop letting teams supply their own balls and have the NFL do it. That way they dont have to worry about over or under inflated balls that they need to inspect.

 

[SVN]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/brady-said-in-2011-he-likes-deflated-footballs/

Via CBS Connecticut, Tom Brady told WEEI in Boston more than three years ago that he likes deflated footballs.

“[W]hen Gronk scores – it was like his eighth touchdown of the year – he spikes the ball and he deflates the ball,” Brady said in November 2011. “I love that, because I like the deflated ball. But I feel bad for that football, because he puts everything he can into those spikes.”

On that same radio station, Brady scoffed on Monday about the investigation regarding deflated footballs, calling the suggestion that the Patriots deliberately let air out of the balls “ridiculous.”

Coincidentally, tight end Rob Gronkowski posted on Twitter after the controversy emerged a photo of him spiking the ball with the caption, “Warning: Gronking may cause deflation.”​

unbelievable.

 

[reflexblue]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/brady-said-in-2011-he-likes-deflated-footballs/

unbelievable.

Talk about grasping at straws. He never said he like throwing a deflated ball.

 

[reflexblue]

If anyone has listened to NFL radio you'll know that Jim Miller and Tod McShay have been calling all of this total BS. When anyone calls in and brings it up they will talk about it but have repeatedly said to those callers that the whole thing is ludicrous and balls are routinely taken out of the game. This evening they told a caller that its out of spite and jealousy that people go after the Pats. They also mentioned that the players are really angry at Shula for what he said a couple of weeks ago 'Bealicheat' its disrespectful and it demeans all the hard work they put in, and that they would use ball gate as motivation. So at least we have them on our side.

 

[The Gr8est]

There is one way to prove definitively that these attacks against the Pats are motivated by envy and not based on anything that has occurred in reality.

All Bob Kraft has to do is fire BB. We all know that these upstanding rival franchises and their fans would want nothing to do with such a cheater and NFL pariah.

BB would get what he so richly deserves. No one would ever hire him again and any team that even hinted that they were considering hiring him would be subject to such a negative reaction from their fans that they would quickly back off on those plans.

BB would spend his final days alone and unemployed.

That's what would happen if the Pats fired BB.......right?

 

[supafly]

So shouldn't the NFL be investigating why the Colts chose to go outside this internal (to the NFL) chain, and employ the services of the media to either 1) buttress their position, 2) offset their embarrassing loss, or 3) knowingly wreak havoc on the Patriots' reputation amongst the League and its fans (before an investigative determination could even be made)? Has anyone considered the possibility that the Patriots will be exonerated, while the Colts are the ones faced with penalties and public scorn? I'm wondering why the NFL isn't considering the potential ban of Grigson and/or Irsay (multiple offender) for taking such a course of action (thereby diminishing the NFL in the eyes of its fans/clientele).

I don't believe the term "employed the services of the media" is too appropriate here.

A "source" broke the story to the reporter from Indy (Kavitz, I believe is his name), who then used social media to pass it on. There is zero accountability for social media--none whatsoever.

I can't see how the Colts did anything wrong, or would be considered for doing anything wrong?

Hopefully, the NFL is just doing their due diligence and we'll be exonerated--but no, I don't think many are expecting anything to be placed on Indy, as I don't see any reason for such a thing. As we've seen before, nothing ever comes from bringing the attention to the league, even if you're wrong. Sad, but true.

 

[Wrath Mania]

See comments from below. Rodgers hasn't said a word about this example.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/rodgers-told-cbs-he-tries-overinflate-footballs


Rodgers comments came during the interview of the November 30th matchup. In other words, they are almost 2 months old.




Again, he didn't come out and defy the league or even talk about it. The comments came from a CBS interview on November 30th. I believe that may have been the game against N.England, but I'm really too lazy to go and look it up.

In all actuality, it was Phil Simms speaking on what Aaron Rodgers supposedly said during their interview that day, so we never even heard from Rodgers then or now.

Actually, he just talked about it today on his radio show. That was what was quoted repeatedly here:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...bay-packers-upset-referees-take-air-footballs

 

[nowayback]

From a daily reader/lurker, who is, nevertheless highly invested in this forum:

Why hasn't anyone questioned the integrity of the game from the standpoint of the NFL and its internal processes? Specifically speaking, I'm talking about the requirement for handling sensitive matters internal to the NFL only .... vs manipulating the matter by using external media informants (Kravitz, etc.), which only serves to confuse the investigative process while fomenting public controversy. We know that the chain of events demonstrates the following linkage: D'Qwell Jackson (interception) --> ballboy --> Coach Pagano --> GM Grigson --> Owner Irsay --> NFL League Office (investigation). So shouldn't the NFL be investigating why the Colts chose to go outside this internal (to the NFL) chain, and employ the services of the media to either 1) buttress their position, 2) offset their embarrassing loss, or 3) knowingly wreak havoc on the Patriots' reputation amongst the League and its fans (before an investigative determination could even be made)? Has anyone considered the possibility that the Patriots will be exonerated, while the Colts are the ones faced with penalties and public scorn? I'm wondering why the NFL isn't considering the potential ban of Grigson and/or Irsay (multiple offender) for taking such a course of action (thereby diminishing the NFL in the eyes of its fans/clientele).

From the moment the ball didn't go from Jackson to the ref directly..the chain of custody is broken. For me that ball is useless as evidence.

Also the only way they can know the psi of the balls that were used, would be to check them as close as possible to the games end. Unless someone confesses or they have it on tape,,,this is a non- issue

 

[Deus Irae]

Talk about grasping at straws. He never said he like throwing a deflated foot ball.

Let's not go all Doyel/Rosenberg, now...

Brady added: "Yeah, which happens like once every three years. But when Gronk scores -- it was like his eighth touchdown of the year -- he spikes the ball and he deflates the ball. I love that, because I like the deflated ball. But I feel bad for that football, because he puts everything he can into those spikes."

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-.../4709543/gronkowski-td-spikes-will-get-bigger

 

[BradyManny]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/brady-said-in-2011-he-likes-deflated-footballs/

unbelievable.

When this is the kind of "evidence" Florio has to offer, its no wonder he's no longer a lawyer, but a blogger.

 

[supafly]

Actually, he just talked about it today on his radio show. That was what was quoted repeatedly here:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...bay-packers-upset-referees-take-air-footballs

Apologies for being incorrect, WM.

I had only seen the links provided by the local media today, which pointed to his comments from 11/30.

That is the link that I included in my post from the comments of Phil Simms, which is what many are meshing with today's news. Hence the confusion.

Here is yet another link that is posted on the main forum page, which alludes to the comments from 11/30: http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2015/01/according_to_cbs_aaron_rodgers.html

 

[supafly]

When this is the kind of "evidence" Florio has to offer, its no wonder he's no longer a lawyer, but a blogger.

That's a terrible article.

It's sad when you not only have to root for the games, but also have to root for the exoneration of your accused team. Really pisses me off. We should be enjoying the prospect of the SB more than we are.

Hopefully, things go back to being normal again--although I'm not counting on it.

 

[reflexblue]

Let's not go all Doyel/Rosenberg, now...



http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-.../4709543/gronkowski-td-spikes-will-get-bigger

I know nothing of Doyel/Rosenberg. As in i don't know who the hell they are.