McCauley

[Mogamedogz]

Everybody here keeps talking about his PHYSICAL SKILLS. However the Pats value what is going on in the Player's head as much as his body. HUGE alarm bells have to be ringing when a supposedly FIRST Round NFL prospect is benched at the end of the season. So don't talk to me about how well he ran around cones, that stuff JUST speaks to POTENTIAL. We need to deal with PRODUCTION. Remember this kid didn't just suck at the end of the year, he sucked at the senior bowl too.

From all accounts (that I could dig up), McCauley is a very smart player and an is usually an extremley hard worker. (Including one endorsement from former teammate and current Patriot DB James Sanders, who said "He has to get his fire back. Sometimes when the team isn't playing up to a level that you know you are capable of, it can really bring you down mentally." )

Also, I watched the entire Senior Bowl coverage, and I hardley thought that he "sucked". I thought he just took a little time to adjust.

This is kind of a two faced post (no offense). On one hand you are saying that you cant judge a guy based on his combine numbers, but on the other hand you're saying that it is ok to judge him by his first two days @ the Senior Bowl.

What people seem to forget, is that the ENTIRE Fresno State team sucked last season. It wasnt JUST McCauley. That could have allot to do with his motivation issues towards the end of the season.

To get him @ 1.28 would be a STEAL (imo).

 

[Real World]

I've liked McCauley for a while now, but there are some risks in taking him in the first round. I agree that whatever Hill tells BB will determine what the Pats do. If he's on the Pat's board, and there at #28, the Pats will take him. My fear is that he's one of those numbers guys. Great physical attributes but not an instincts player. His numbers truly do stick out. Most people in here have been love hate with him. They either want him bad, or don't want him at all. It will be interesting if he's there at #28.

 

[Mogamedogz]

McCauley has a teammate on the other side of the football in a similar situation. WR Paul Williams. The kid has "Freakish" talent, but he just had a horrible '06 season (mostly due to injury).

From everything I have read, I just get the vibe that these guys did not want to risk any serious injury, playing "Balls to the wall" on a team that just flat out sucked.

Now some may say that shows a "lack of effort" or "bad character", but I disagree. I think it was the smart move on their part. (Even if meant that their draft stock would fall a little bit.) They minimize the risk of getting injured (playing for nothing), and they would still have a chance to revive their stock at the combine and pro-day.

I think Pat Hill pulling McCauley at the end of the season, had more to do with Hill trying to send the message to his team (and AD), that he is not going tollerate guys not playing full speed, regardless of the situation.

 

[PonyExpress]

McCauley is big, fast and physical. He would make an ideal cb except for one problem: he can't cover. This was pretty evident during senior bowl drills. He is a FS masquerading as a cb.

 

[bradmahn]

McCauley is big, fast and physical. He would make an ideal cb except for one problem: he can't cover. This was pretty evident during senior bowl drills. He is a FS masquerading as a cb.

I'm not going to profess that I know a whole lot about McCauley, but I would think that the rest of the posts in this thread kind of debunk your little theory here.

 

[PonyExpress]

I'm not going to profess that I know a whole lot about McCauley, but I would think that the rest of the posts in this thread kind of debunk your little theory here.

The only thing that can "debunk my little theory" is McCauley's play on the field of battle. If he turns into a solid pro cb, I'll happily eat my words. From all reports he seems like a good person and I wish him well.

 

[SamBamsFan]

I'm not going to profess that I know a whole lot about McCauley, but I would think that the rest of the posts in this thread kind of debunk your little theory here.

McCauley is Tebuckey lite (great athlete/ no position). I would be hugely shocked if he goes before pick 50.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I watched the Fresno State/Oregon game and was unimpressed. I watched the Senior Bowl practices and saw the athletic talent, but was unimpressed. I watched the Senior Bowl and noted no aggression in tackling, taking on blocks, or coming up in run support - I was unimpressed. Little bitty Josh Wilson went after people, McCauley tiptoed up to them. His Combine was stud standard, but when I see him on the field I don't see a Law, or a Samuel, or a Hobbs, or even a Chad Scott, I see a kid who isn't doing his job. Pass.

 

[Mogamedogz]

I think you guys have this kid all wrong. He is going to have an extremley good NFL career. I also think that he would thrive in NE. This team would bring out the best in him.

All the knocks on him not being able to cover are just ridiculous... he is one of the best "natural" cover corners in the draft.

 

[SamBamsFan]

I think you guys have this kid all wrong. He is going to have an extremley good NFL career. I also think that he would thrive in NE. This team would bring out the best in him.

All the knocks on him not being able to cover are just ridiculous... he is one of the best "natural" cover corners in the draft.

I'd love to hear who your quoting on that comment!

 

[SamBamsFan]

McCauley has a teammate on the other side of the football in a similar situation. WR Paul Williams. The kid has "Freakish" talent, but he just had a horrible '06 season (mostly due to injury).

From everything I have read, I just get the vibe that these guys did not want to risk any serious injury, playing "Balls to the wall" on a team that just flat out sucked.

Now some may say that shows a "lack of effort" or "bad character", but I disagree. I think it was the smart move on their part. (Even if meant that their draft stock would fall a little bit.) They minimize the risk of getting injured (playing for nothing), and they would still have a chance to revive their stock at the combine and pro-day.

I think Pat Hill pulling McCauley at the end of the season, had more to do with Hill trying to send the message to his team (and AD), that he is not going tollerate guys not playing full speed, regardless of the situation.

Definitely sounds like a Belichick guy (not to mention Harrison, Vrabel, Bruschi, Seymour...). Do you really want a guy like that on the Patriots? Think about it for a second.

 

[Mogamedogz]

I'd love to hear who your quoting on that comment!

Ron Borges :rocker: :rocker:

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I think you guys have this kid all wrong. He is going to have an extremley good NFL career. I also think that he would thrive in NE. This team would bring out the best in him.

All the knocks on him not being able to cover are just ridiculous... he is one of the best "natural" cover corners in the draft.

I agree that the kid can cover, where I have reservations is mental toughness. For whatever reason, he took himself out of his game as a Senior and it carried over to the Senior Bowl. That is a big caution flag for me, and I assume for the personnel folks of a team that prides itself on mentally tough players who can pull it out playing away on the homefield of the team with the best record in the NFL last season. The kind of players who keep fighting even though flu has sucked their energy down to zero and just miss another Super Bowl berth by the phlegm they hawked up. I like the kids potential, but unless the background investigation find some really strong mitigating circumstances, this kid isn't destined to be a Patriot in this draft, maybe down the road if he gets it together and doesn't wind up in Oakland.

 

[Mogamedogz]

I agree that the kid can cover, where I have reservations is mental toughness. For whatever reason, he took himself out of his game as a Senior and it carried over to the Senior Bowl. That is a big caution flag for me, and I assume for the personnel folks of a team that prides itself on mentally tough players who can pull it out playing away on the homefield of the team with the best record in the NFL last season. The kind of players who keep fighting even though flu has sucked their energy down to zero and just miss another Super Bowl berth by the phlegm they hawked up. I like the kids potential, but unless the background investigation find some really strong mitigating circumstances, this kid isn't destined to be a Patriot in this draft, maybe down the road if he gets it together and doesn't wind up in Oakland.

I just think it is hard to judge a kid's mental toughness until they actually get into the league.

ESPECIALLY if they are playing on a poor NCAA team. The reason being; they have everything to lose being over aggressive, and nothing to gain (outside of a toughness lable).

 

[AzPatsFan]

McCauley is a pure "In BB and his friends we trust" situation.

Pat Hill has praised him to the skies. Pat Hill has benched him for lack of effort.

Pat Hill's judgment of the young man is the deciding factor, or at least is a crucial input into Beoli's own judgment of him.

The only thing that needs be said: "...Don't give me a defensive guy who can't tackle. What would I do with him ?..."

 

[sebman2112]

The only thing that needs be said: "...Don't give me a defensive guy who can't tackle. What would I do with him ?..."

What do you mean he can't tackle? I'll show you some footage of him making nice open field tackles if I need to?

The guy didn't play upto expectations in '06, and I wouldn't spend anything more than a second rounder on him, but don't say he can't tackle, when I've seen the guy make some pretty good ones.

 

[AzPatsFan]

What do you mean he can't tackle? I'll show you some footage of him making nice open field tackles if I need to?

The guy didn't play up to expectations in '06, and I wouldn't spend anything more than a second rounder on him, but don't say he can't tackle, when I've seen the guy make some pretty good ones.

Pat Hill, BB 's friend, and McCauleys' Coach benched him for that. All the scouting reports says that he shys from contact. You don't get to be considered for the NFL if you don't make ANY tackles.

 

[Mogamedogz]

You don't get to be considered for the NFL if you don't make ANY tackles.

I got $20 (via good faith) that says Mccauley goes in the 1st round.

 

[sebman2112]

Pat Hill, BB 's friend, and McCauleys' Coach benched him for that. All the scouting reports says that he shys from contact. You don't get to be considered for the NFL if you don't make ANY tackles.

Again he makes tackles.....Also he didn't start shying away from contact until after getting knocked out against oregon. Before that McCauley was all over the field, tackling, and actually hitting people to. There are other CB's I would rather take, and his performance the second half of the season does leave some questions about his draftability, but don't say he can't tackle.

 

[Mogamedogz]

I dont even think the hit against Oregon made him "timid"... I just think it shook him up enough to make him fearful of getting injuried "seriously", and losing out on his chance to play in NFL.