Hypothetical – If you could only keep one who would it be Amendola or Edelman?

[Brady6]

Danny Amendola
#80 WR 5' 11" 195 lb
Born Nov 2, 1985 in the Woodlands, TX (Age: 28)
Drafted 2009: UDFA
Experience 5 years
College: Texas Tech

To be upfront I have been critical of the Amendola signing in other threads; that is mainly centered on the lofty expectations and large contract that accompanies Amendola, if you remove those 2 things from the equation I think Amendola is a very good football player.

Amendola’s stats - Danny Amendola Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - New England Patriots - ESPN
Amendola’s workout numbers - Danny Amendola*|*Texas Tech,*WR*:*2008 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

Julian Edelman
#11 WR 5' 10" 198 lbs
Born May 22, 1986 in Redwood City, CA (Age: 27)
Drafted 2009: 7th Rnd, 232nd by NE
Experience 5 years
College: Kent State

Edelman has been a Swiss army knife for this team for years and this season with the opportunity to play full time at wide receiver and receive starter reps he has become our leading receiver and a very clutch member of the offense. Edelman is still in more of a development period than Amendola having played QB in college and spent the first 4 seasons of his career as Welker’s backup.

Edelman’s stats - Julian Edelman Stats, News, Videos, Highlights, Pictures, Bio - New England Patriots - ESPN
Edelman’s workout numbers - Julian Edelman*|*Kent State,*WR*:*2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

 

[RayClay]

Ask after Amendola has a full year. Certainly, many here called for dumping Edelman after some of his injuries.

Glad you're not obsessed about Amendola.

Third, he'll miss bonuses for playing time this year, but with 2 million guaranteed and over a 4 million cap hit for next year, I don't think it makes sense to get rid of him. Capologists please chime in on that.

 

[RobAllan]

If we're going to travel this path....

Edelman and it isn't even close. Edelman has been a contributor on both sides of the ball as well as the scout team. He's the best punt returner ever, which is highly undervalued. (The field position he gives us regularly alone results in points. This doesn't even factor in contributions as a WR.)

Amendola... is a WR. He even plays sometimes.

I don't see how this is even a contest.

 

[Sciz]

It doesn't make much sense to me to pick between the two when I've been saying since before Amendola was signed that the Pats' best move was to have both and plan on having one healthy at a time and any time the second is healthy is a bonus.

 

[RayClay]

This hypothetical assumes there are no contracts in the NFL, right?

 

[Brady6]

Ask after Amendola has a full year. Certainly, many here called for dumping Edelman after some of his injuries.

Glad you're not obsessed about Amendola.

Third, he'll miss bonuses for playing time this year, but with 2 million guaranteed and over a 4 million cap hit for next year, I don't think it makes sense to get rid of him. Capologists please chime in on that.

This hypothetical assumes there are no contracts in the NFL, right?

I am not obsessed I am just looking to see what others think, I am not 100% certain that my position on Amendola is the right one but in the other thread all I was getting was a lot of smug comments and silly accusations so I figured this type of poll could offer some real insight into things. For me this message board is an opportunity to learn and engage in stimulating football discussion I do not just parade around thinking my opinion is the only opinion.

 

[goheels22002]

This hypothetical assumes there are no contracts in the NFL, right?

I voted for Amendola in the poll specifically because his cap hit after this season would be a larger pill to swallow than Edelman's $0 since he's a free agent after 2013, and he's not likely to command more than the $10 million in guaranteed money that Amendola got including his $6 million signing bonus.

Report: Danny Amendola?s Five-Year, $31 Million Contract Depends on Wide Receiver Staying Healthy | New England Patriots | NESN.com

Would I re-sign Edelman? Presuming he stays healthy for the remainder of the 2013 season and playoffs, I'd sign him in a heartbeat for an Amendola type signing bonus ($6 million) and two to three years guaranteed with performance bonuses. He's a great punt returner and solid #4 receiver. He does not have the skills of Welker in the slot, nor the versatility of Woodhead out of the backfield.

Edelman is also an emergency quarterback option, and has played DB capably in an emergency role. Guys as versatile as this are well worth the investment.

 

[Dutchmaster617]

The one who has played more than 10, maybe even 5 games for us, the one who isn't an absolute bum.

Dobson/Thompkins disappear like mad, but they have an excuse, Amendola is a vet. Edelman is our most reliable target if you factor in injuries and mental focus.

 

[Brady6]

It doesn't make much sense to me to pick between the two when I've been saying since before Amendola was signed that the Pats' best move was to have both and plan on having one healthy at a time and any time the second is healthy is a bonus.

It’s a hypothetical and you can only keep one of the two, obviously the preference would be to keep both but just like it didn’t make sense to keep Vereen and Woodhead it doesn’t make ideal sense to keep Edelman and Amendola on the same team, just because they can play together doesn’t mean it’s the best use of personnel for the team, we would be much better off with one of them in the slot and adding a Y type receiver such as Sanders to fill out the position along with Dobson.

 

[Brady6]

This hypothetical assumes there are no contracts in the NFL, right?

Well you take a cap hit in 2014 for Amendola but long term it may be cheaper to eat the season and keep Edelman, but for the sake of this discussion I was leaving contracts and salary out and focusing on which player you’d like to keep based solely on them as a player.

Are you going to vote?

 

[RayClay]

I voted for Amendola in the poll specifically because his cap hit after this season would be a larger pill to swallow than Edelman's $0 since he's a free agent after 2013, and he's not likely to command more than the $10 million in guaranteed money that Amendola got including his $6 million signing bonus.

Report: Danny Amendola?s Five-Year, $31 Million Contract Depends on Wide Receiver Staying Healthy | New England Patriots | NESN.com

Would I re-sign Edelman? Presuming he stays healthy for the remainder of the 2013 season and playoffs, I'd sign him in a heartbeat for an Amendola type signing bonus ($6 million) and two to three years guaranteed with performance bonuses. He's a great punt returner and solid #4 receiver. He does not have the skills of Welker in the slot, nor the versatility of Woodhead out of the backfield.

Edelman is also an emergency quarterback option, and has played DB capably in an emergency role. Guys as versatile as this are well worth the investment.

That sounds like you're at least dealing with NFL reality with your hypothetical. Contract terms are real and players get injured and play through injuries.

I'm sure BB evaluates Amendola based on his physical ability with the torn abductor muscle. I'm sure he takes into account that delman was the only experienced receiver for a good stretch and got a lot of looks. Reche Caldwell had 61 receptions in 2006. that wouldn't have happened if we had other receivers, in fact he probably wouldn't have been on the team.

I personally think if the team wants a player and the player likes the organization, there is a number. It's not always about breaking the bank.

However, unlike the fantasy, football world, running backs and receivers aren't usually the most indispensable players.

Between Woodhead, Amendola, Welker and Edleman there's one guy that was even drafted and that's in the 7th.

Sorry to break y'alls hearts, but players like that are easily replaced compared to defensive tackles and ends and offensive tackles etc.

They're going to do what's good for the team and a big contract probably gives Amendola the advantage. Remember, Edelman was considered a punt returner first up until a few weeks ago and that probably enhances his value because it frees a roster spot.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

Edelman by a mile. He's finally ripened into this offense. He's at his peak. Amendola might, with time. 2 or 3 years from maybe Amendola. But Edelman has earned his role big time.

 

[Salva135]

If we're going to travel this path....

Edelman and it isn't even close. Edelman has been a contributor on both sides of the ball as well as the scout team. He's the best punt returner ever, which is highly undervalued. (The field position he gives us regularly alone results in points. This doesn't even factor in contributions as a WR.)

Amendola... is a WR. He even plays sometimes.

I don't see how this is even a contest.

What! Metcalf, Deion, and Hester the GOAT ... that yards/return stat you drummed up is stupid. He is not even close to the best ever. But he's very good.

That said... Edelman, by far. I don't know how it happened, but he's fit the offense like a glove. He uses Madden spin moves to get that extra yard. Brady clearly targets him when he's open. He's known as "squirrel" and that sounds appropriate for his role in this offense.

I don't think we need to decide between the two, though...

 

[RayClay]

What! Metcalf, Deion, and Hester the GOAT ... that yards/return stat you drummed up is stupid.

That said... Edelman, by far. I don't know how it happened, but he's fit the offense like a glove. He uses Madden spin moves to get that extra yard. Brady clearly targets him when he's open. He's known as "squirrel" and that sounds appropriate for his role in this offense.

I don't think we need to decide between the two, though...

Yards per return. What other measure?

 

[Salva135]

Yards per return. What other measure?

Do you really believe that Julian Edelman is the best punt returner of all time? You think he's better than Hester based on yards per return? C'mon, man.

 

[RayClay]

Do you really believe that Julian Edelman is the best punt returner of all time? You think he's better than Hester based on yards per return? C'mon, man.

What else do you base it on? He has the best average now. See if he keeps it up.

 

[Salva135]

What else do you base it on?

This would involve a technical discussion of the value of a home run touchdown vs. the yards/return stat. Debating a guy like Hester who has had more "home run" TDs than anyone in NFL history vs. Edelman and his illustrious yards/return crown, which is a situational stat in many ways.

You're claiming allegiance to that stat and ignoring everyone who can name several notable punt returners, and believe that single stat declares Edelman the GOAT, which no one outside of you agrees with. That's fine, I don't have the effort to delve further. Edelman is da best.

 

[RayClay]

This would involve a technical discussion of the value of a home run touchdown vs. the yards/return stat. Debating a guy like Hester who has had more "home run" TDs than anyone in NFL history vs. Edelman and his illustrious yards/return crown, which is a situational stat in many ways.

You're claiming allegiance to that stat and ignoring everyone who can name several notable punt returners, and believe that single stat declares Edelman the GOAT, which no one outside of you agrees with. That's fine, I don't have the effort to delve further. Edelman is da best.

Most punts, Hester or not, aren't run back for touchdowns. I don't really care about individual statistics, but according to the NFL, Edelman is, or was, the leader in yards.

 

[Avenger]

Hester was a much better KR than PR. Edeldude blows him out of the water as a PR.

 

[chasa]

give the option of having to keep only one, i have to go with Julien,

Receiver wise they are about even, you can talk about potential all you want, Amendola has never gotten past whatever invisible wall is keeping him from being great(injuries)

Julien is also one of the best punt returners in football, And has some experience as an emergency DB. Add to that hes a lower cost option, Its hard to choose Amendola at this point, Also looking towards the future Dobson and Thompkins both look like NFL starters, moving forward with Juilen, Kenbrell, and Dobson next year would be fine with me, the growing pains of earlier this season are pretty much over with.