Kyle Love released

[DaBruinz]

Lots of cushion with Tom Brady



This was the Real Dumb argument that people levied against the players during the labor negotiations. Workers are entitled to certain rights, and just because these workers have exceedingly rare talent and are compensated accordingly (well, given the profits the owners make on these players' backs - sometimes literally - not nearly accordingly enough) does not mean they should be denied their rights.

The profits that the owners make? You mean the same owners who forked out their money to begin with so these players could actually HAVE a job? You mean the owners who treat these players like friggin KINGS with super exorbitant salaries, health care, and amenities? What rights are the players being denied?

 

[chasa]

The Jags just got a whole lot more Average on the DL

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

The profits that the owners make? You mean the same owners who forked out their money to begin with so these players could actually HAVE a job? You mean the owners who treat these players like friggin KINGS with super exorbitant salaries, health care, and amenities? What rights are the players being denied?

They are being denied their rights to live as a middle class normal everyday 9-5 working man and instead having to count their millions

 

[SONS_OF_BELICHICK]

Patriots South......starting to add to their roster

 

[Yesares]

OK, but the June 1st date is irrelevant. The determinations can be made at the time of the cut, which can be before or after June 1. For example, the patriots chose NOT to designate Lloyd as a June 1 cut. BTW, the only advantage is to push cap costs into 2014.

Perhaps I don't have understood this exactly, but I believed that June 1st is already relevant and all players cut after that date can prorate dead money from accelerated bonus in 2 years.

I have understood that the new issue introduced by new CBA was that teams can cut 2 players before June 1st and designate them as if they were cutted after that date, and therefore, can benefit from the same prorating dead money rule.

So, if a team, at beginning of new league year in March has planned to cut more than two players that they want to prorate dead money, it would be wise to designate the two players with more cap relieve, so the team would have more money to use in free agency in March, and wait to June to cut the others players with less cap relieve.

That is the reason why I was expecting more June 1st cuts, but perhaps I have misundertood the whole point about this issue,

 

[DaBruinz]

I have a number of family members affected by type 2 diabetes. My dad died after suffering complications for a number of years from diabetes. I can absolutely tell you all one thing...a person carrying a lot of weight with type 2 diabetes is a ticking time bomb. Managing the disease with medication is not a solution. The only way to give your body its best shot at a full and healthy life is to get to a healthy weight, adjust your diet and live an active lifestyle.

While Love is certainly active, he is way overweight by any standard and playing professional football effectively on a diabetes-friendly diet would be difficult. While cutting Love was obviously a football decision, I don't think it was as cold and calculating as people have made it out to be. I think Belichick genuinely cares about Love and wants him to get his health situation in order first before considering football. I think Belichick would have a hard time putting Love on a reserve list against his will (the union would have a field day with that) so that left the retire for 1 year (keep the signing bonus) vs. cut decision.

If Love wants to play football at his current weight with this condition, that is his right. Doesn't mean Belichick has to hand him the keys to the car that drives his health off a cliff.

Love CHOSE to be cut instead of taking a year off (NFI list) to make certain he could manage the type 2 Diabetes without it affecting himself or the team on the field. That is from Love's own agent. The Patriots CLEARLY wanted to work with him on it, but without him playing this year and while working on a contract going forward. Him and his agent decided they'd rather Love get cut and go somewhere that would let him play while also working on managing his diabetes. And I'll be honest. Love is an absolute fool for doing that, in my honest opinion. IF someone signs him, he's going to have to learn a new play-book as well as making the adjustments to his physical regimen and his meal regimen. And there is no telling as to whether or not he'll be able to play DT going forward. He may have to move to DE and be lighter.. By 30-50 pounds. To keep his diabetes under control..

He's facing a huge task ahead and he's definitely chosen the hardest path to take... One without any team support... at least for the time being.

 

[SVN]

Patriots’ decision to cut Love looks like disability discrimination | ProFootballTalk

Can someone from the team say something at least??

 

[primetime]

The profits that the owners make? You mean the same owners who forked out their money to begin with so these players could actually HAVE a job? You mean the owners who treat these players like friggin KINGS with super exorbitant salaries, health care, and amenities? What rights are the players being denied?

The owners don't even pay for the stadiums, taxpayers do. And then they pay for salaries with their unbelievably high revenues, and pay non-football personnel like utter crap. Owning a football team is incredibly lucrative and not at all a risky investment, and attitudes like yours don't help. There's nothing exorbitant about player salaries. In fact, they're well below market value given corporate profits, but that's true of all wages in today's economy.

And healthcare? Really? Pensions for retired players are pitiful, health coverage is awful, and teams make every effort to divest themselves of liability for injuries incurred during play.

 

[SVN]

More crap from florio
Jaguars help Patriots, in a roundabout way | ProFootballTalk

 

[Sciz]

Jaguars were the only team to put in a claim on DL Kyle Love.

http://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/statuses/335134355443810304

Is it safe to say that there was at least some level of concern among other teams for this to happen?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

More crap from florio
Jaguars help Patriots, in a roundabout way | ProFootballTalk

If you think Florio is a jerk,why read him?

He does make a point that Wilfork might not be thrilled to have seen his buddy go...and about one disease that his foundation is all about.

 

[BadMoFo]

More crap from florio
Jaguars help Patriots, in a roundabout way | ProFootballTalk

Florio is really trying to make this much more of a controversy.

It doesn’t make what the Patriots did right. The team has not responded to a PFT request for comment, and no amount of off-the-record spin being espoused by writers covering the team regarding concerns such as Love’s performance slipping in 2012 and the addition of other players who may be better than Love changes the fact that the Pats cut Love not because of his performance or his competition but because of a medical condition. We know this because the team released Love in the immediate aftermath of his diagnosis with the “non-football illness” designation.

While the Patriots may suffer no consequence or reprimand for a fairly blatant violation of Love’s human rights (because, you know, they’re the Patriots), the Jaguars deserve to be praised for ignoring a condition that can be treated and controlled. Many people operate successfully with diabetes, and every diabetic should be a fan of the Jaguars moving forward.

Meanwhile, we can only wonder how Patriots defensive lineman Vince Wilfork, whose foundation benefits diabetes research, feels about the situation. Maybe he’ll eventually have something to say about it.

 

[SVN]

If you think Florio is a jerk,why read him?

He does make a point that Wilfork might not be thrilled to have seen his buddy go...and about one disease that his foundation is all about.

I dont know much about the medical condition but how about not having blatantly biased opinion in his article because the team has responsed yet. "Human rights" violation ?? He doesnt seem to wonder why they offered him to retire for 1 yr instead of outright cut him in the first place..

 

[Sciz]

He does make a point that Wilfork might not be thrilled to have seen his buddy go...and about one disease that his foundation is all about.

Well if Wilfork wanted the best for Love's health, then he should be telling him to retire and then lose about 100 pounds.

 

[supafly]

Patriots’ decision to cut Love looks like disability discrimination | ProFootballTalk

Can someone from the team say something at least??

I doubt we hear any rebuttal, as usual. And they don't owe anyone a comment either.

They couldn't care less as to what idiots like Mike Florio speculate about. They're here to build the best roster they can, win as many games as possible, and support the commuinity (which we never seem to hear enough about).

It's hard to understand why there are some who continue to try to do everything they can to paint the team in a negative light, but keeping Love on the 2013 squad was not in the best interest of winning football games.

Unfortunately his weight, stamina, eating habits, sugar count, and other important health factors prevented him from staying here. I do think it says a lot that they were going to allow him to stay on the NFI list and "retire" for a year with a chance to come back healthy. More importantly, it would have also allowed him to keep his entire portion of the signing bonus, which probably won't be reported by Florio anytime soon.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I dont know much about the medical condition but how about not having blatantly biased opinion in his article because the team has responsed yet. "Human rights" violation ?? He doesnt seem to wonder why they offered him to retire for 1 yr instead of outright cut him in the first place..

They may have told him to retire for a year simply to see how he copes with his new disability...diabetes changes your life one way or another and with training camp not far away he would really have some adjusting to do...diabetes gives you no definitive warnings before it strikes.

If his weight got down to a much lower level to control his disease,perhaps the team would have tried him somewhere else on defense the next season after re-signing him which I assume they would have done since he was given an option.

I do think that Florio thinks that NE was just punishing Love for getting this disease when in fact they probably did it for his health and safety in the short term while he remains a football player.

 

[BradyFTW!]

So... the Pats offered to give Love the year off. He declined. They released him. If they had released him outright without making that offer, then I'd feel a bit uneasy about it, but I'd still understand. As it is, I really don't see what the Pats theoretically did wrong.

 

[Sciz]

So... the Pats offered to give Love the year off. He declined. They released him. If they had released him outright without making that offer, then I'd feel a bit uneasy about it, but I'd still understand. As it is, I really don't see what the Pats theoretically did wrong.

Because they didn't, and basically the only person trying to tell you that they did is Florio.

 

[DaBruinz]

The owners don't even pay for the stadiums, taxpayers do. And then they pay for salaries with their unbelievably high revenues, and pay non-football personnel like utter crap. Owning a football team is incredibly lucrative and not at all a risky investment, and attitudes like yours don't help. There's nothing exorbitant about player salaries. In fact, they're well below market value given corporate profits, but that's true of all wages in today's economy.

And healthcare? Really? Pensions for retired players are pitiful, health coverage is awful, and teams make every effort to divest themselves of liability for injuries incurred during play.

You truly don't have a clue what you are talking about. You've bought into the players BS hook line and sinker and can't see reality. You're ignorance is what doesn't help. My attitude of not putting up with the blatantly ignorant like yourself is just fine.

1) Most teams paid for their original stadiums. And several owners have used their own money to pay for the new ones as well. Including Kraft.
2) Don't confuse team personnel for vendors. Something you are clearly doing. People who work directly for the Patriots are well paid.
3) You're talking out your rear end regarding player salaries. Saying that they are below market value shows you have NO CLUE about economics, the industry or pretty much anything other than the swill of lies you are cluttering the board with.
4) Owning a football team is only lucrative if the team is successful or they have a rabid fan base (see Oakland). Just ask the Dolphins about how "LUCRATIVE" it is..
5) The players have access to the absolute best healthcare 24/7/365 while they are employed by a team. From state-of-the-art work out facilities to the ELITE doctors and surgeons in this country. They get the top medical care available. You're claim that their health coverage is awful is about as accurate Bill Clinton saying he didn't have sex with Monica Lewinsky.

6) As for the pensions, they are lucky to have one at all. Furthermore, why should they be entitled to health care BEYOND their employment? No one else in this country get's that unless they work for the Federal Government.. Everyone else has to suck it up and deal with Medicare. Why should the players be any different?

BTW, your response was an epic fail at saying that the players were being denied their RIGHTs. Nothing you mentioned is a RIGHT.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

So... the Pats offered to give Love the year off. He declined. They released him. If they had released him outright without making that offer, then I'd feel a bit uneasy about it, but I'd still understand. As it is, I really don't see what the Pats theoretically did wrong.

And I pray that this never happens because Love seems like a great guy ...but if something happens to him in the Jaguars training camp or in the season because of too much activity so soon,then maybe ignorant people like Florio would realize NE did what was best for a player that I believe they really cared for off and on the field and wanted him back after asking him to take some time off to change his life and eating style.