Adalius Thomas: Anything new?

[zarakotas5]

Hammermill:

My reply may have been confusing:

The signing of Colvin, for me, equaled in happiness the loss I felt when Milloy was lost. I was a fan of Milloy since I watched him play Miami at Foxboro ('93?, cold as hell.) I have nothing, NOTHING against Colvin. The thing is, we HAVE Colvin. Time to move on, personnel wise.

 

[HAMMERMILL]

Hammermill:

My reply may have been confusing:

The signing of Colvin, for me, equaled in happiness the loss I felt when Milloy was lost. I was a fan of Milloy since I watched him play Miami at Foxboro ('93?, cold as hell.) I have nothing, NOTHING against Colvin. The thing is, we HAVE Colvin. Time to move on, personnel wise.

I too was(like the rest of patriot nation) upset when milloy was released.
But its was a good thing over all.
I think overall, we are agreeing but confusing each other in the process

At the risk of a dissagrement again,Time to add to colvin but not at his exclusion.

 

[captain stone]

Loved this post.
Well though out,articulate(unlike me at times).
Very well worded(should be set to music).
Don't see us getting AT but we can dream.

My thoughts exactly.

P.S.: The Pats must address the LB situation, beginning the first minute of UFA, and continuing through the draft. Our backup LBs are, easily, the worst in the league. Having no veterans available as backups is unnecessarily risky.

 

[patsox23]

I would bet they cut Colvin and...

Just stop. Save yourself. Really. Idiotic.

 

[The Predator]

Just stop. Save yourself. Really. Idiotic.

I am still waiting on the terms of the bet

 

[pats63]

I would love to have AT in a patriot uniform....Maybe a pipe dream?????This thing about Rosie is totally crazy....Rosie is a big part of our defense and will the following years......Don't we have Gardner on IR and was he doing a good jod before the injury????How are will all doing this week of waitnig for Sunday???GO PATS!!!!!!:rocker:

 

[mavfan2390]

I think we end up drafting a youngster in the first...Poz? And signing Fletcher...and resigning TBC ...that would leave us with TBC, Fletcher, Poz, Bruschi, Colvin, Vrabel, Woods, Alexander, and Izzo....not bad at all...

 

[SeanBruschi54]

I think we end up drafting a youngster in the first...Poz? And signing Fletcher...and resigning TBC ...that would leave us with TBC, Fletcher, Poz, Bruschi, Colvin, Vrabel, Woods, Alexander, and Izzo....not bad at all...

You forgot Don "still trying to be ST captain" Davis. The good thing about Poz is that he played outside LB and then this year was moved inside and played 3-4 still very well. He has played very well at both positions and is known for being a very smart athlete.

Most mock drafts have him falling past 23 -25 now. So theres a good possibility he'll be there at 22.

 

[DaBruinz]

Hindsight is 20/20. We should have taken LT, LJ, Portis, .......... on and on it goes. You just can't say he would have been a reach now he is a star. Everyone else should have taken Brady, but they didn't. There is no true way of knowing. It's not as if the GM/HC have a crystal ball and know who will pan out. All these guys have skills, but many can't put it together to play football in the NFL. Shoulda woulda coulda.

If you are going to say something about hindsight, its a good idea to use examples that would actually apply.

The Patriots had no shot at drafting LaDanian Tomlinson unless they moved up above the Chargers. See, the Pats drafted Richard Seymour 6th that year, right after Tomlinson was taken by the Chargers.

Larry Johnson was the 27th pick of 2003. The Pats chose Ty Warren at 16 and traded the 19th pick to the Ravens. It wasn't a mistake since Johnson took 2 years to develop.

As for Portis, he was taken 19th in the 2nd round of 2002. The Pats didn't draft until the 22nd pick. They had already drafted Graham. How were they going to move up from the 33rd pick of the second round to be in a position to draft Portis.


Now, as for the Shoulda Woulda Coulda statements, you aren't saying anything that 99% of the fans on this site already know. What you could have pointed out and it would have been more poignant is that in 2000, BB was using the draft information that Booby Grier's scouting staff had assembled. We all know that Grier was a pretty bad evaluator of talent. So, BB was playing from behind to start with and hadn't has a chance to do any evaluations or let the scouting staff know what he was looking for in players. Had BB been able to do that, I think that AT would have been drafted.

 

[mcbee]

I am still waiting on the terms of the bet

Sure. If they cut him, trade him or cut his salary, you have to say "I was wrong".

If they don't, I will say "they should have, I predicted they would, but they didn't. I was wrong".

 

[mgcolby]

Sure. If they cut him, trade him or cut his salary, you have to say "I was wrong".

If they don't, I will say "they should have, I predicted they would, but they didn't. I was wrong".

Either way you are still a moron for suggesting it!

 

[mcbee]

Either way you are still a moron for suggesting it!

If I had suggested Milloy wasn't worth his salary, you would have said the same thing.

"Preposterous!"

 

[captain stone]

I think we end up drafting a youngster in the first...Poz? And signing Fletcher...and resigning TBC ...that would leave us with TBC, Fletcher, Poz, Bruschi, Colvin, Vrabel, Woods, Alexander, and Izzo....not bad at all...

Not bad, indeed...except for the Izzo part...and we can do better than Alexander.

 

[mgcolby]

If I had suggested Milloy wasn't worth his salary, you would have said the same thing.

"Preposterous!"

Nope! What he was asking for was simply "Preposterous!"

 

[mcbee]

Nope! What he was asking for was simply "Preposterous!"

Nope! He wasn't asking for anything. He already had a contract. He was cut. And his salary was alot less than what Colvin is getting. Pats apparently thought he wasn't worth the money. So you can't say it's unprecendented.

 

[mgcolby]

Nope! He wasn't asking for anything. He already had a contract. He was cut. And his salary was alot less than what Colvin is getting. Pats apparently thought he wasn't worth the money. So you can't say it's unprecendented.

Yes, he had a contract that was bloated and the Pats were trying to restructure it. When word leaked the Skins tampered with him by telling his agent how much they would give him. There wasn't a 20 million dollar salary cap increase from 2002 to 2003 and Milloy wasn't worth a 5 million dollar cap hit. Colvin will cost us 6.5 next year, based on production and salary inflation that is a bargain.

Do you actually know or remember the details of the Milloy situation? Or do you only remember the Pats being "cheap"?

 

[mcbee]

Yes, he had a contract that was bloated and the Pats were trying to restructure it. When word leaked the Skins tampered with him by telling his agent how much they would give him. There wasn't a 20 million dollar salary cap increase from 2002 to 2003 and Milloy wasn't worth a 5 million dollar cap hit. Colvin will cost us 6.5 next year, based on production and salary inflation that is a bargain.

Do you actually know or remember the details of the Milloy situation? Or do you only remember the Pats being "cheap"?

I remember him being due 4M or so and the patriots thinking he had slowed down. I don't know why Washington tampering, if they did, would cause the pats to cut him. I thought it was a good move, I didn't think they were cheap.

Colvin is just an average guy, OK above average but not by that much. Not worth 6.5M. Milloy had been in some pro bowls possibly the year or two before.

At the end of the day, you need to replace high priced players with rookies, otherwise you'll have a team of good players making 5M per starter and that isn't going to work.

How do you sign Samuel, is he worth 6M per? Yep. How about Warren? He's better than Colvin, so 6M for him. How about Wilson if he recovers? 3M? Graham? 3M? They draft a couple linebackers, they need playing time - how do they get it with all the veterans? How about signing Fletcher? 3-4M?

 

[chris66]

with the amount of cap space many teams have this year, I expect most fa's to test the market including Samuel and Graham.

 

[mgcolby]

I remember him being due 4M or so and the patriots thinking he had slowed down. I don't know why Washington tampering, if they did, would cause the pats to cut him. I thought it was a good move, I didn't think they were cheap.

Colvin is just an average guy, OK above average but not by that much. Not worth 6.5M. Milloy had been in some pro bowls possibly the year or two before.

At the end of the day, you need to replace high priced players with rookies, otherwise you'll have a team of good players making 5M per starter and that isn't going to work.

How do you sign Samuel, is he worth 6M per? Yep. How about Warren? He's better than Colvin, so 6M for him. How about Wilson if he recovers? 3M? Graham? 3M? They draft a couple linebackers, they need playing time - how do they get it with all the veterans? How about signing Fletcher? 3-4M?

By Washington tampering with him made him unwilling to take the pay cut. He knew the Pats only had a few options and eventually they cut him and then Buffalo scooped him up.

I'm not sure Samuels is worth 6 million a year, the guy has 10 picks but beyond that has played like ****. The ten picks help and they look good in the box score but his miss tackles and the big plays he has given up have hurt at times. Not only that there is no guarantee that we don't see the Asante of last year return, remember the guy that everyone was dogging because he couldn't catch a cold.

Colvin is a good LB I wouldn't put him in the Pro Bowl but he is a good LB.

Not sure why you are trying to explain to me how the Pats handle their team? This team is built through the draft and bringing in one or two veterans that are hungry for a SB. Aren't you one of the people that were talking about how cheap the Pats were just a few months ago, but now you are trying to explain to me how they operate? I find that comical.

 

[mgcolby]

My mistake it was only a few weeks ago that you had a completely different view of how to build a team!

You're on to something Mikey.



What the Pats should do is go on a FA spree and get good FAs. They have cap room and they should backload the contracts too. Yes, I know they'll be in cap hell if the cap doesn't go up, but it always seems to.



You have to strike while the iron is hot. Make a run for it. Instead Brady will slowly get older (maybe quickly if he keeps taking a pounding like he's been doing).



If going into a tough salary cap situation would win them 2 out of the next 4 and then result in some cuttings, rebuilding, would you be for it? Or would you rather muddle through.