Dead cap money clause: Jets conspiracy or innocent oversight?

[Joker]

Your entire post is underpinned by total bullshyte.

if they cut all those guys before the new league year was supposed to start (March 11th or 12th),

the March 11th date was 7 to 10 days AFTER an extension to the original deadline. Andy's point is completely valid. Someone gave the Jets a heads up to make a move before the 11th.Up until then there was NO REASON to suddenly make the cuts they did, unless they KNEW a decertification was coming.

As far as mocking Bill Belichick and his organizational decisions, perhaps you could share with the rest of us Pats fans what Tannenbaum would have accomplished over the past decade if HE were running the Pats. Jeezus, talk about transparent.

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

Your entire post is underpinned by total bullshyte.

if they cut all those guys before the new league year was supposed to start (March 11th or 12th),

the March 11th date was 7 to 10 days AFTER an extension to the original deadline. Andy's point is completely valid. Someone gave the Jets a heads up to make a move before the 11th.Up until then there was NO REASON to suddenly make the cuts they did, unless they KNEW a decertification was coming.

As far as mocking Bill Belichick and his organizational decisions, perhaps you could share with the rest of us Pats fans what Tannenbaum would have accomplished over the past decade if HE were running the Pats. Jeezus, talk about transparent.

They cut all of those guys in the last week of FEBRUARY. That's way before even the "original" day of March 4th that the new league year was supposed to start. Extension or no extension, the Jets still cut them before the league year would have started.

Stop blaming league conspiracies for the Jets finally becoming a smart and good opponent for us to deal with. I'd love for them to be inept just like you would. But they're not. They're headed in the right direction and they've gone further than us in the playoffs the last two years. They beat us in our own house in the playoffs. Those are facts.

 

[Joker]

You are the most knowledgeable Pats fan about everything Jets related I've ever read. I never thought about looking at it like you state

"finally!!!!! The Jets are a worthy opponent!!!! Even better!!!! They'll get Asomougha and SHUT THE PATRIOTS DOWN!!!!! And Rex Ryan will BLITZ the Pats to death now!!! Just like the playoff game!!!!

yeah, except Ryan dropped all available defenders into the middle zones, did NOT blitz, and confused Brady...unlike the 45-3 thrashing where Rex played his standard defense, the one you say cannot be dealt with by BB or the Patriots. I'll give you the point that Ryan is a slippery character. Obviously he caught BB by surprise with the defense he schemed for the playoff game but it was nothing close to resembling Ryan's historical defensive set...the one YOU claim shuts down Brady...oh..except for that "lucky" 45-3 primetime national obliteration.

I look forward to this season and I look forward to smashing the Jets again.You sound like you can't wait to don your green cape and morph into Captain Jet.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Well, look at what's happening now. They franchised David Harris. The Jets were the first ones to call Santonio Holmes and are going hard after him in hopes of keeping him. They have already made him an offer. They have already called Nnamdi Asmougha and talked to him about teaming up with Darrelle Revis -- many people saw this as a fantasy but a LOT of people including, Adam Schefter, have said Nnamdi wants to come to NY and it could happen if things line up. They have supposedly already reached out and made an offer to Cromartie. They've also been connected to Plax and Randy Moss. Sanchez has come out and has said he's willing to restructure his deal. The Jets have contacted their other FA's like Braylon, Edwards, and Ellis to keep tabs on them. They've been linked to pass rusher Antwan Barnes as well.

All of this while the Pats are sitting on their hands, releasing their only decent pass rusher from the last two years, and signing UDFA's. Maybe Bill should take a page out of Tannenbaum's book for once and aggressively address our pass rush -- something that has sucked since 2008.

Yeah, Im sure belichick has been spending all his time on the Vineyard and has no plan, why cant we be like the jets, those perennial super bowl winners, oh, nevermind

 

[patman52]

Please lose the foil hats. Tannebaun is a salary cap guy and proves it every year. If it is in the CBA it is in the CBA. Good for him and good for the jets.

Why can't we acknowledge that the Jets have a competent team with a good front office and head coach.

 

[upstater1]

Please lose the foil hats. Tannebaun is a salary cap guy and proves it every year. If it is in the CBA it is in the CBA. Good for him and good for the jets.

Why can't we acknowledge that the Jets have a competent team with a good front office and head coach.

I think people are just commenting that it gives them an advantage over other teams. Look t the Cowboys, they are eating contracts right now. I'm sure they would love to have their past mistakes erased. It makes sound management practices like what the Patriots do irrelevent if all your bad contracts and bad draft picks count for nothing.

 

[BSR]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of communication between the Jets and the commissioner. It seems awfully coincidental that the Jets were the ones to supposedly benefit the most from this "unanticipated" windfall, if that is indeed the case.

That being said, there are other explanations as well. There certainly is a chance that this possibility was communicated to all teams and many just didn't want to do it. More cap room means more spending and many teams aren't interested in that. It isn't as if the Patriots could have taken advantage of that, as they weren't going to cut TBC back then. At the end of the day, the most this will ever be is a tempest in a teapot. It would be good to know if this rule is in fact real but I don't think we will know that until the CBA becomes official on August 4th.

As for BB becoming more like Tannenbaum, no thanks. I'll keep our guy and you can keep yours. Poor form trying to troll as a Pats fan by the way.

 

[Shelterdog]

Guys, this thread is idiotic.

Nobody knew if there would be a dead money amnesty or not before the deal got done. A few teams took the chance that cutting guys in February/march 2011 would free up cap space. The Jets did this and so did the Colts when they cut Sanders. Other smart teams (the Pats, the Steelers) didn't. When the huge, complex 10 year deal got done the Jets got a little one year benefit with this (frankly it may have been the cost of getting Woody Johnson on board with the deal). It sort of sucks that our rivals get a little more cap space than expected but you've got to learn to live with disappointment.

And Goodell carries Kraft/Jones' water. He doesn't make the deals or run the show: he reports to the owners.

 

[jmt57]

Maybe Miguel or somebody else can help me out here, but in the past didn't a player cut after the final game of the season have any of his dead cap money accelerated into the following year's cap? In other words, going by the rules of any other year then it would not have mattered if the cuts were made February 18, February 27, March 1 or March 10; the dead cap money would have been added to the following year (in this case, 2011), correct?

Now of course teams did take advantage of the uncapped year by cutting players with no recourse; for example the Patriots did just that with Adalius Thomas. But that was before the season started; it's like comparing apples and oranges. When a team gets the benefit of having a player on the roster and no dead cap money consequences for cutting him immediately after the season ends, that cannot be considered the same as cutting a player before the season begins.

The bottom line is teams were instructed to assume all the same old cap rules would be put back once the new CBA was agreed upon, but that didn't turn out to be the case - and a very select few teams (one in particular more than others) appear to have benefited from that seemingly minor change.


In regards to the possibility that other teams knew about this but elected not to cut players during that three week window, I don't buy that. Teams knew the new cap would be tighter; look for example at Dallas. I think if they knew about the chance to unload players with no cap consequence they would have jumped at the chance back then. Considering their current cap situation and the fact they did not cut a single player back then, they couldn't possibly have known about this.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

And Goodell carries Kraft/Jones' water. He doesn't make the deals or run the show: he reports to the owners.

If that were true, do you really think Goodell would have stolen a Pats 1st rounder? Wouldn't he have penalized the Jets, for whom there is undeniable proof that they were doing the same thing? Whether or not this specific incident was intentional, Goodell has a history of favoring the Jets, his former employer.

I truly hope that Kraft has been gathering evidence for a collusion case against Goodell and has been waiting for the CBA to get finished before bringing it before a judge.

 

[Shelterdog]

If that were true, do you really think Goodell would have stolen a Pats 1st rounder? Wouldn't he have penalized the Jets, for whom there is undeniable proof that they were doing the same thing? Whether or not this specific incident was intentional, Goodell has a history of favoring the Jets, his former employer.

I truly hope that Kraft has been gathering evidence for a collusion case against Goodell and has been waiting for the CBA to get finished before bringing it before a judge.

Roger doesn't do what Kraft says on everything, sure, and he has been fairly Jet friendly. The owners give him a lot of independence on discipline and what not. But the idea that he imposed the CBA on the owners is preposterous; the owners, and Kraft in particular, are the guys who put together that deal on the league side.

 

[upstater1]

Guys, this thread is idiotic.

Nobody knew if there would be a dead money amnesty or not before the deal got done. A few teams took the chance that cutting guys in February/march 2011 would free up cap space. The Jets did this and so did the Colts when they cut Sanders. Other smart teams (the Pats, the Steelers) didn't. When the huge, complex 10 year deal got done the Jets got a little one year benefit with this (frankly it may have been the cost of getting Woody Johnson on board with the deal). It sort of sucks that our rivals get a little more cap space than expected but you've got to learn to live with disappointment.

And Goodell carries Kraft/Jones' water. He doesn't make the deals or run the show: he reports to the owners.

Excuse me if I'm wrong but it sounds like in your post you agree with one of the premises of the thread so how can it be idiotic? Even you speculated that it might've been done to get the owner on board.

 

[upstater1]

Maybe Miguel or somebody else can help me out here, but in the past didn't a player cut after the final game of the season have any of his dead cap money accelerated into the following year's cap? In other words, going by the rules of any other year then it would not have mattered if the cuts were made February 18, February 27, March 1 or March 10; the dead cap money would have been added to the following year (in this case, 2011), correct?

Now of course teams did take advantage of the uncapped year by cutting players with no recourse; for example the Patriots did just that with Adalius Thomas. But that was before the season started; it's like comparing apples and oranges. When a team gets the benefit of having a player on the roster and no dead cap money consequences for cutting him immediately after the season ends, that cannot be considered the same as cutting a player before the season begins.

The bottom line is teams were instructed to assume all the same old cap rules would be put back once the new CBA was agreed upon, but that didn't turn out to be the case - and a very select few teams (one in particular more than others) appear to have benefited from that seemingly minor change.


In regards to the possibility that other teams knew about this but elected not to cut players during that three week window, I don't buy that. Teams knew the new cap would be tighter; look for example at Dallas. I think if they knew about the chance to unload players with no cap consequence they would have jumped at the chance back then. Considering their current cap situation and the fact they did not cut a single player back then, they couldn't possibly have known about this.

This is how I believe it worked. If you cut a player prior to the deadline, his cap counted for the next season. If you cut a player after the deadline and the start of the league year, his cap counted for the next two seasons, so you took less of a hit.

Other teams, including the Patriots, did the smart thing and waited to cut players in order to amortize the cap hit over two years.

But golly gee, wouldn't it have been nice to not have the cap hit at all?? This is a joke that this has been allowed to happen, and if the Jets sign Nnamdi because of it, it could turn the balance of football around.

 

[Haley]

I think the bottom line here is that if Dallas suffered as a result of this, we will be hearing about it again whether Bob Kraft does anything or not. There is no way the Cowboys will give this a pass.

 

[Shelterdog]

Excuse me if I'm wrong but it sounds like in your post you agree with one of the premises of the thread so how can it be idiotic? Even you speculated that it might've been done to get the owner on board.

Because the assumption is that Goodell conspired with the Jets, starting in February, and pulled a fast one on the rest of the league and that's just absurd.

 

[upstater1]

Because the assumption is that Goodell conspired with the Jets, starting in February, and pulled a fast one on the rest of the league and that's just absurd.

There's an either/or question to start the thread.

Frankly, I think it's just as despicable if Woody Johnson extracted a price while Kraft was trying to cut a deal and his wife was dying.

This Woody guy is a real piece of work.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Maybe Miguel or somebody else can help me out here, but in the past didn't a player cut after the final game of the season have any of his dead cap money accelerated into the following year's cap? In other words, going by the rules of any other year then it would not have mattered if the cuts were made February 18, February 27, March 1 or March 10; the dead cap money would have been added to the following year (in this case, 2011), correct?

Now of course teams did take advantage of the uncapped year by cutting players with no recourse; for example the Patriots did just that with Adalius Thomas. But that was before the season started; it's like comparing apples and oranges. When a team gets the benefit of having a player on the roster and no dead cap money consequences for cutting him immediately after the season ends, that cannot be considered the same as cutting a player before the season begins.

The bottom line is teams were instructed to assume all the same old cap rules would be put back once the new CBA was agreed upon, but that didn't turn out to be the case - and a very select few teams (one in particular more than others) appear to have benefited from that seemingly minor change.


In regards to the possibility that other teams knew about this but elected not to cut players during that three week window, I don't buy that. Teams knew the new cap would be tighter; look for example at Dallas. I think if they knew about the chance to unload players with no cap consequence they would have jumped at the chance back then. Considering their current cap situation and the fact they did not cut a single player back then, they couldn't possibly have known about this.

Exactly. The rules going into the uncapped year were what they were; most importantly, everyone knew what they were. My problem with this dead money clause isn't that it exists- it's that teams were instructed to act as if it wouldn't exist, and then it came out of nowhere, so that in the end only a few teams had an opportunity to benefit from it. The Cowboy, Ravens, and Pats have all been screwed by it pretty hard already.

 

[jmt57]

This is how I believe it worked. If you cut a player prior to the deadline, his cap counted for the next season. If you cut a player after the deadline and the start of the league year, his cap counted for the next two seasons, so you took less of a hit.

Other teams, including the Patriots, did the smart thing and waited to cut players in order to amortize the cap hit over two years.

But golly gee, wouldn't it have been nice to not have the cap hit at all?? This is a joke that this has been allowed to happen, and if the Jets sign Nnamdi because of it, it could turn the balance of football around.

Thanks for clarifying; for some reason I had completely forgotten about how that (the bolded portion) worked, depending on when a player is cut.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Because the assumption is that Goodell conspired with the Jets, starting in February, and pulled a fast one on the rest of the league and that's just absurd.

Why is that absurd? Absurd is the lack of punishment for the Jets for doing what the Pats lost a 1st round pick for.

 

[goheels22002]

Conspiracy? C'MON. I love when I hear stuff like this. Either you guys are watching way too much UFO crap or Belichick needs to up his spy game and get away with it again in the hearts of millions.

What's that giant gray hoodie thing with the blinking lights and plasma oozing out of the side that is hovering over your house?