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Men.
They're always changing their minds.
So fickle.
We're not all like Brett Favre.
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They're always changing their minds.
So fickle.
Holley and Fauria on the pre game show had some interesting insight into what is going on in context. Guys are late all the time. It gets dealt with in house. The fine is the least of the consequences. Giving teamates ammunition to ride you was the thing that stung most. Unless of course someone drops a dime. Holley will bet anyone any amout that Shalise got a call or an email from Adalius and the reason was he wanted to take down the castle as Christian characterized it.
Both Fauria and Holley are adamant that AD was this guy from the day he arrived. And they knew that going in to some extent. It was no different than the risk they took bringing in Dillon or Moss. He had to be "broken down" by a group of core leaders that included Rosie (who Holley remains tight with) over the course of 2006, and reportedly he was. Christian said back in the day there was a guy around every corner (including fringe playing time guys like Izzo and Davis) prepared to get in your face and ask you what you thought you were doing. AD eventually was brought to heel by the pack (Fauria compared it to what the dog whisperer does to the rogue when he works it with in a well trained pack).
Fact is we don't have a pack within the unit or on the defense to bring this clown to heel. And after being characterized (marginalized) both in Baltimore (where Ray rules and AD was a boy among men) and NE (where he arrived with his brinks deal only to be told to get with the program and forget what you think we should do because we have a system here and the rings to prove it works) he saw his shot to lead his way.
The core problem is you can't make guys be wholesale policemen if they aren't comfortable in that role. They don't have to be superstars, but they have to embrace the role. AD saw his opportunity to start doing things his way in the void created as the old guard vacated their leadership positions and enough of the new guard didn't feel comfortable or ready to step up. Fauria says in the wake of what he's chosen to do, which he characterizes as an attempt to take down the castle to avenge his ego, it should be getting easier for otherwise reluctant effort guys to become so pissed in the wake of having some clown essentially threaten their livelihood and everything they've individually invested in a season that their reluctance will give way to a resolve in attitude about being vocal leaders.
I hope this team finds a way to win another SB or two over the next couple of seasons because it Patriots Still Reign would be one hell of a read.
In the meantime this should remain a cautionary tale going forward for those who want to revisit bringing in troubled talent to bridge any perceived roster gaps. Like Fauria says, most guys are who the are and you can't change them wholesale, the best you can hope to to is manage them. And apparently it takes a village as the saying goes...
Holley and Fauria on the pre game show had some interesting insight into what is going on in context. Guys are late all the time. It gets dealt with in house. The fine is the least of the consequences. Giving teamates ammunition to ride you was the thing that stung most. Unless of course someone drops a dime. Holley will bet anyone any amout that Shalise got a call or an email from Adalius and the reason was he wanted to take down the castle as Christian characterized it.
Both Fauria and Holley are adamant that AD was this guy from the day he arrived. And they knew that going in to some extent. It was no different than the risk they took bringing in Dillon or Moss. He had to be "broken down" by a group of core leaders that included Rosie (who Holley remains tight with) over the course of 2006, and reportedly he was. Christian said back in the day there was a guy around every corner (including fringe playing time guys like Izzo and Davis) prepared to get in your face and ask you what you thought you were doing. AD eventually was brought to heel by the pack (Fauria compared it to what the dog whisperer does to the rogue when he works it with in a well trained pack).
Fact is we don't have a pack within the unit or on the defense to bring this clown to heel. And after being characterized (marginalized) both in Baltimore (where Ray rules and AD was a boy among men) and NE (where he arrived with his brinks deal only to be told to get with the program and forget what you think we should do because we have a system here and the rings to prove it works) he saw his shot to lead his way.
The core problem is you can't make guys be wholesale policemen if they aren't comfortable in that role. They don't have to be superstars, but they have to embrace the role. AD saw his opportunity to start doing things his way in the void created as the old guard vacated their leadership positions and enough of the new guard didn't feel comfortable or ready to step up. Fauria says in the wake of what he's chosen to do, which he characterizes as an attempt to take down the castle to avenge his ego, it should be getting easier for otherwise reluctant effort guys to become so pissed in the wake of having some clown essentially threaten their livelihood and everything they've individually invested in a season that their reluctance will give way to a resolve in attitude about being vocal leaders.
I hope this team finds a way to win another SB or two over the next couple of seasons because it Patriots Still Reign would be one hell of a read.
In the meantime this should remain a cautionary tale going forward for those who want to revisit bringing in troubled talent to bridge any perceived roster gaps. Like Fauria says, most guys are who the are and you can't change them wholesale, the best you can hope to to is manage them. And apparently it takes a village as the saying goes...
Interesting if true. If so, it suggests a major error in judgment in bringing AD in to begin with. I understand that we've had success with Dillon and Moss, but they bought into the program wholeheartedly; it doesn't sound like Thomas ever did. If a guy doesn't buy into the program to begin with then there doesn't seem to be much reason to go after him.
Then, going back to 2007, how the h*** do you explain the "Humble Pie" shirts (remember: Thomas is the one who had them made)? In retrospect, I'm just dumbfounded.
good point....what's changed since then? maybe he's po'ed cause mayo is lead dog.
Then, going back to 2007, how the h*** do you explain the "Humble Pie" shirts (remember: Thomas is the one who had them made)? In retrospect, I'm just dumbfounded.
The way I read it, what changed is the locker room ass kickers are gone. Much like a kid who's good when his parents are home then has a kegger when they leave for the weekend.good point....what's changed since then? maybe he's po'ed cause mayo is lead dog.
AD saw his opportunity to start doing things his way in the void created as the old guard vacated their leadership positions and enough of the new guard didn't feel comfortable or ready to step up.
Then, going back to 2007, how the h*** do you explain the "Humble Pie" shirts (remember: Thomas is the one who had them made)? In retrospect, I'm just dumbfounded.
Then, going back to 2007, how the h*** do you explain the "Humble Pie" shirts (remember: Thomas is the one who had them made)? In retrospect, I'm just dumbfounded.
The way I read it, what changed is the locker room ass kickers are gone. Much like a kid who's good when his parents are home then has a kegger when they leave for the weekend.
BOTTOM LINE: "They hate their coach".
Holley will bet anyone any amount that Shalise got a call or an email from Adalius and the reason was he wanted to take down the castle as Christian characterized it.
Dude please stop. LOL @ he was broken down. The 35 million dollar free agent was broken down. Yeah ok. He was kept in line. yeah sure. Just like moss right? U do realize ur talking about grown ass men. *pictures guys approaching moss to read him the riot act* sorry cant see it.Like the guys said, he was broken down and then kept in line so it appeared as if he'd bought in. Subconsciously though he remained the guy from Baltimore who saw himself as something other than a follower or a piece of someone's puzzle. Add in getting involved with the NFLPA post likely re inflating his ego and you have a guy regressing to his personal norm. His teamates made a huge mistake electing him to a position most guys see as a chore.
Holley was just saying that Springs is the same guy. Fauria thought that was a stretch having played with him in DC. But Holley was adamant that is what they are seeing. Guys aren't happy with the way they are being used by Pees. That's nothing new, players had issues back in the day, too, but in the past their issues were overall results based and they approached Bill privately with their input on that basis. I think that's how Eric lost his red shirt down the stretch in 2006. Now it's all about my usage and results and blaming their own shortcomings on scheme. That won't fly here even it you have a valid point on some levels... Bill has always listened to his smartest and most committed players input. But at the end of the day if he doesn't see effort and execution within the game plan and lots of rationalization from the player as to why that's happening, he's not gonna listen to excuses. Trust is earned on a two way street. Tell him what you believe is wrong and why and before you or your unit screws up, not afterwards. Reminds me of his comments on Brady telling him things in game that the film absolutely bore out. Insight vs. excuses. Holley also shared a snipet about how after the Baltimore game in 2007 Tedy pulled Bill off the bus before they left for the airport and implored him "work us harder..."