SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive-pulled groin

[italia44]

Re: Why Wilhite Didn't play

Um....ok....can we agree at least that Sean Taylor's chances would have been BETTER if he had been armed??? Of course they would have been. That's why these guys are crazy NOT to be packing (at least at home).

Change that to any right-thinking people........I have handguns at home and know how to use them.

 

[amazinPats]

Re: Why Wilhite Didn't play

No...I don't think he was physically hurt that badly. I think it was more that he was shaken up. I asked him about it today and he didn't want to talk about it, which I more than understand.

Thanks for helping us out, Shalise!

 

[Dragda]

Re: Why Wilhite Didn't play

Wouldn't Wilhite have been at the team hotel on Sunday morning? I'm pretty sure that the night before home games, the whole team checks into a hotel . I don't think they stay in their houses. And I bet the guys robbing his house thought that he woulnd'nt be there either. Same thing with Sean Taylor, Sunday morning, but he was injuried.


This home invasion stuff with these Pro Athletes is getting crazy, with the internet, it is just too easy to find out where these guys live.

Not according to Bruschi's book. He mentioned driving in on Sunday mornings for home games a few times.

 

[Nikolai]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

I certainly hope that Wilhite will be ok and that he'll be able to move on from this and live his life.

I really do think athletes should consider self-defense as a greater priority. What's the old saying: Police are minutes away when seconds count.

Handguns are not so difficult to operate, and if any of you are inclined to think the Police are so much better trained, I can tell you that city and town police have very lax standards for handgun proficiency. Just the other day, I was shooting with a couple of patrol officers from the Norfolk (Virginia) Police Department, and their shooting was atrocious. Laughable. But all to common in my experience with police. Many city and town officers practice shooting only a handful of times each year.

 

[RoughingthePasser]

Re: Why Wilhite Didn't play

A gun doesn't always solve the problem. It is very difficult to use a gun in confined space- it's why they created a whole science for it, called CGQ (Close Quarter Combat) in the special forces, and you train for hours and days to become good at it.

You're right. Guns are overrated in certain situations and if your ready to brandish you better be ready to engage.
Many fear-mongers who have never seen combat or what guns can do-have no understanding......

The element of surprise is the best.

 

[RoughingthePasser]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

I certainly hope that Wilhite will be ok and that he'll be able to move on from this and live his life.

I really do think athletes should consider self-defense as a greater priority. What's the old saying: Police are minutes away when seconds count.

Handguns are not so difficult to operate, and if any of you are inclined to think the Police are so much better trained, I can tell you that city and town police have very lax standards for handgun proficiency. Just the other day, I was shooting with a couple of patrol officers from the Norfolk (Virginia) Police Department, and their shooting was atrocious. Laughable. But all to common in my experience with police. Many city and town officers practice shooting only a handful of times each year.

You have to know what your shooting at.
Everything happens fast-I agree

 

[jmt57]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

Seems to me an athlete should be investing in a good security system first, before depending on a gun. There's plenty of times they're not at home and that information is readily available - making them that much more of a target than they already are. If nothing else the alarm should scare away the vast majority of bad guys - which would also be far preferable to one of our players getting involved in a shootout. After the security system is installed, if he still feels more secure with a gun then that's certainly his choice.

 

[crowell33]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

Every specific situation is so different. Adult(s) with no kids, the gun is looking pretty good to me. Multiple little kids? Burglar alarm(s), Dog(s), taser(s) might be the way to go. Everyone ( or each family) has to weigh the risk/return of their own situation. There is no right or wrong answer.

 

[lorijean]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

That had to be terrifying and I hope Wilhite is okay. It is so easy to find out where players live nowadays. Scary.

 

[upstater1]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

Anyone have stats on home invasions and guns?
Ever been shot by a gun?

Unless you aim a shotgun at close range, the vast majority of such defense attempts end in misses or else hits that do not incapacitate the intruder at all.

A gun is effective at scaring all but the most crazed intruders. But if the intruder is crazed, you've made a choice with a gun that may not be to your liking--never mind all the responsibility that comes with it (i.e. training, cleaning, teaching kids about guns, having your gun right by you--in your night table--so that you don't have to go to a safe, etc.) Shooting in close quarters like this, which mostly happens without taking aim, but rather just drawing and firing, produces a lot of misfires.

Shark repellent and tasers are probably a lot more effective in subduing an intruder. Plus, none of the hassle of having a loaded gun around the house.

And you HAVE to keep your gun loaded and easily available. The last thing you want to do is get your gun out of a safe and load it.

 

[crowell33]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

Anyone have stats on home invasions and guns?
Ever been shot by a gun?

Unless you aim a shotgun at close range, the vast majority of such defense attempts end in misses or else hits that do not incapacitate the intruder at all.

A gun is effective at scaring all but the most crazed intruders. But if the intruder is crazed, you've made a choice with a gun that may not be to your liking--never mind all the responsibility that comes with it (i.e. training, cleaning, teaching kids about guns, having your gun right by you--in your night table--so that you don't have to go to a safe, etc.) Shooting in close quarters like this, which mostly happens without taking aim, but rather just drawing and firing, produces a lot of misfires.

Shark repellent and tasers are probably a lot more effective in subduing an intruder. Plus, none of the hassle of having a loaded gun around the house.

And you HAVE to keep your gun loaded and easily available. The last thing you want to do is get your gun out of a safe and load it.

I have a close friend who grew up in NYC. His father was a very experienced gun owner who kept multiple guns in the home. One night there were two burglars on the first floor. They woke my friends father at approx. 3 am, and in a daze he grabbed one of his guns ( I believe a rifle ). While half asleep, he thought the particular gun he grabbed was loaded. It was not. As he ran down the stairs firing the unloaded gun the situation escalated and the burglars returned fire, as they fled.

He went upstairs in panic that one of his 3 children had been shot in the crossfire. They were safe, but the next morning my friends father went to the police dept and turned in all his weapons.

 

[Nikolai]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

Ever been shot by a gun?

I have been shot at, but fortunately never have been hit.

Unless you aim a shotgun at close range, the vast majority of such defense attempts end in misses or else hits that do not incapacitate the intruder at all.

A gun is effective at scaring all but the most crazed intruders. But if the intruder is crazed, you've made a choice with a gun that may not be to your liking--never mind all the responsibility that comes with it (i.e. training, cleaning, teaching kids about guns, having your gun right by you--in your night table--so that you don't have to go to a safe, etc.) Shooting in close quarters like this, which mostly happens without taking aim, but rather just drawing and firing, produces a lot of misfires.

Shark repellent and tasers are probably a lot more effective in subduing an intruder. Plus, none of the hassle of having a loaded gun around the house.

And you HAVE to keep your gun loaded and easily available. The last thing you want to do is get your gun out of a safe and load it.

Good post. And for you folks in New England and other states that have tough gun laws, know your laws about the usage of guns in self-defense.

 

[letekro]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

I have been shot at, but fortunately never have been hit.



Good post. And for you folks in New England and other states that have tough gun laws, know your laws about the usage of guns in self-defense.

Or, just move to Florida so you can blast away at anything that moves with impunity.

 

[2000army]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

Ok.... so some people would rather not have a gun to protect themselves.... understandable.

But just because you have no idea how to use a gun or are scared to have a loaded gun in your house should you think you can offer opinions on what you think are better self defense weapons... ie. Tasers or Shark repellent. This is dangerous in thinking you can confront an intruder with a taser.

I will say that anyone who owns a gun should be proficient with it. To buy a gun and not practice with it is as dangerous as using a taser or shark repellent.

And finally every family should have a least a basic plan for a fire, break in, home invasion. A lot of people think it will never happen to them.

 

[upstater1]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

Ok.... so some people would rather not have a gun to protect themselves.... understandable.

But just because you have no idea how to use a gun or are scared to have a loaded gun in your house should you think you can offer opinions on what you think are better self defense weapons... ie. Tasers or Shark repellent. This is dangerous in thinking you can confront an intruder with a taser.

I will say that anyone who owns a gun should be proficient with it. To buy a gun and not practice with it is as dangerous as using a taser or shark repellent.

And finally every family should have a least a basic plan for a fire, break in, home invasion. A lot of people think it will never happen to them.

I'm just giving you information that comes from pros in the industry.

Just as you preach not taking any chances that you won't be burglarized, you might think that you'll be one of the 10% who can actually take aim and hit their target, and you may think that all your training and target practice will make you one of the 10%, but the fact is you won' know how you'll react until the day comes. Gun owners usually love their guns, love to fire them, practice with them, shoot for fun. and yet only 10% of them hit their target in a real live situation.

I don't have the stats on how many of those 10% actually incapacitate the intruder, but obviously you have to hit them directly in the center of the chest or stomach (head shot if you're going for the kill).

I worked in jails where guns were banned and as long as your assailant doesn't have a gun, then tasers and pepper spray are effective.

 

[2000army]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

I'm just giving you information that comes from pros in the industry.

Just as you preach not taking any chances that you won't be burglarized, you might think that you'll be one of the 10% who can actually take aim and hit their target, and you may think that all your training and target practice will make you one of the 10%, but the fact is you won' know how you'll react until the day comes. Gun owners usually love their guns, love to fire them, practice with them, shoot for fun. and yet only 10% of them hit their target in a real live situation.

I don't have the stats on how many of those 10% actually incapacitate the intruder, but obviously you have to hit them directly in the center of the chest or stomach (head shot if you're going for the kill).

I worked in jails where guns were banned and as long as your assailant doesn't have a gun, then tasers and pepper spray are effective.

Where does this 10% figure come from? What pros in what industry?

Also ... what jail are you going 1 on 1 with someone? It is at least 3 guards to 1 prisoner...correct?

 

[condon84]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

Every specific situation is so different. Adult(s) with no kids, the gun is looking pretty good to me. Multiple little kids? Burglar alarm(s), Dog(s), taser(s) might be the way to go. Everyone ( or each family) has to weigh the risk/return of their own situation. There is no right or wrong answer.

I have a German Shepherd and Brinks security system. I feel pretty secure.

For the most part, I believe when a burglar hears a dog inside a house, they're most likely to look elsewhere.

 

[Patspsycho]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

Ok.... so some people would rather not have a gun to protect themselves.... understandable.

But just because you have no idea how to use a gun or are scared to have a loaded gun in your house should you think you can offer opinions on what you think are better self defense weapons... ie. Tasers or Shark repellent. This is dangerous in thinking you can confront an intruder with a taser.

I will say that anyone who owns a gun should be proficient with it. To buy a gun and not practice with it is as dangerous as using a taser or shark repellent.

And finally every family should have a least a basic plan for a fire, break in, home invasion. A lot of people think it will never happen to them.

That's pretty much the key. I mean look at what happened to Burgess as a perfect example of someone who bought a gun and never practiced with it, or even bothered to follow safety standards, including having at least a concealed holster.

People love to talk guns, but I have heard straight from the sources, from people who have actually been involved in battles in war, that target practice and shooting at a live person are two very very very different things. I have been told that is why they drill so much that the process becomes unconscious and automatic. You want to drill to the point where you don't even think about it.

However, who has the time to do that?

I think it is a far better deterrent to have the basics covered, if you are wealthy: a dependable burglar alarm system, a dog, and at least a plan for dealing with the contingency of an intruder.

That being said, I have no idea what the situation was, with Wilhite- whether or not he had any of those parameters implemented, so all I can do is make general remarks.

 

[Nikolai]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

And finally every family should have a least a basic plan for a fire, break in, home invasion. A lot of people think it will never happen to them.

The best advice on this thread so far.

Most people plan to pull the gun and then have no idea what to do from there. That's how a gun in your hands becomes a gun in their hands.

 

[mb6592]

Re: SMY: Wilhite injured in N. Attleboro home invasion, reason for inactive

I'm just giving you information that comes from pros in the industry.

Just as you preach not taking any chances that you won't be burglarized, you might think that you'll be one of the 10% who can actually take aim and hit their target, and you may think that all your training and target practice will make you one of the 10%, but the fact is you won' know how you'll react until the day comes. Gun owners usually love their guns, love to fire them, practice with them, shoot for fun. and yet only 10% of them hit their target in a real live situation.

I don't have the stats on how many of those 10% actually incapacitate the intruder, but obviously you have to hit them directly in the center of the chest or stomach (head shot if you're going for the kill).

I worked in jails where guns were banned and as long as your assailant doesn't have a gun, then tasers and pepper spray are effective.

What are you talking about? Even if we use your ridiculous numbers, if the good guys have a 10% chance of hitting something, presumably the bad guys are also at 10% right? And this whole, you might crap yourself so it's best not to have a gun is also pretty weird logic. I mean cops don't practice on real people (you'd be surprised at how little they actually train - ammunition is very expensive) and the vast majority never fire their gun their whole careers (and yet, they seem to be able to return fire when the sh-t hits the fan). Like 2000army said, if you don't want a gun fine, but please stop with the crappy stats and crappy logic.