How many backup QB's have started 3-1?

[emoney_33]

Oh great and wise internet poster.

Perhaps you and your almighty wisdom might share with us mortals.....

What should we expect of an NFL QB?

Nothing funnier than an internet poster talking down to an entire fan base.

When did "some posters" become an "entire fan base"?

You do realize "internet poster" doesn't mean anything right? If Albert Einstein were alive he'd post on the internet. So yea just because someone posts on the internet that means what exactly?

You comparing yourself to Albert Einstein?

Are you just being a **** to be a **** or are you that stupid?

Well I asked why you think that you are smarter than everyone.

You then brought Einstein into the conversation.

Then I asked if you were comparing yourself to Einstein. :confused2:

I guess I have to stop assuming that people have above an elementary level of education. You condescendingly said "oh great and wise internet poster" insinuating that internet posters cannot be "wise". I know you would not degrade the intelligence of one Albert Einstein and therefore used him as an example. Never did I compare myself to anyone in this entire conversation. But you decide to derail the conversation with your childish remarks.

I never claimed to be "wise", never compared myself to Einstein and never declared anything about an "entire fan base". But you keep up with your amazing reading comprehension.

Now back on topic, you can PM me if you want to continue this, as I do not want to contribute to the hijacking of this thread.

Cassel is 3-1 and showing good improvement. Hopefully the O-Line continues to improve so that Cassel's growth won't be hurt. It's all about improving throughout the year and playing your best football when it matters most.

 

[xmarkd400x]

Don't forget, that's 3-1 vs. losing teams. The proof will be in the pudding when the Pats play a team with a winning record.

 

[JSn]

The thing no one is talking about is that though Cassel takes sacks, he doesn't (often) do the three stupidest things that are done (often) in a high pressure situation:

He doesn't fumble.

He doesn't force it.

He doesn't make the next play without considering the down and distance.

Seems so often the first two happen and disaster strikes and a lot of n00b QB's do #3. If you get sacked and end up 3rd and 13, you don't throw a 5 yard out, yet that kind of stuff happens a little too often.

He also seems to shake off INT's and sacks really well. I would say he holds the ball a bit long sometimes, but I don't ever get the feeling it's a lack of confidence, he just isn't moving around a lot so we're more aware of his read time.

 

[Deus Irae]

Don't forget, that's 3-1 vs. losing teams. The proof will be in the pudding when the Pats play a team with a winning record.

Neither the Jets nor the Dolphins are "losing teams", as both are 2-2. And, if you talk about record at the time of the game, neither the Jets nor the 49ers were "losing teams", with the Jets having been 1-0 and the 49ers having a 2-2 record.

 

[NJPatsfan26]

The thing no one is talking about is that though Cassel takes sacks, he doesn't (often) do the three stupidest things that are done (often) in a high pressure situation:

He doesn't fumble.

He doesn't force it.

He doesn't make the next play without considering the down and distance.

Seems so often the first two happen and disaster strikes and a lot of n00b QB's do #3. If you get sacked and end up 3rd and 13, you don't throw a 5 yard out, yet that kind of stuff happens a little too often.

He also seems to shake off INT's and sacks really well. I would say he holds the ball a bit long sometimes, but I don't ever get the feeling it's a lack of confidence, he just isn't moving around a lot so we're more aware of his read time.

Thats a good read on Cassel. He does hold onto it a bit long but with more games and practice, he will be fine. IMO, he has taken this role as the starting QB very well..

 

[xmarkd400x]

Neither the Jets nor the Dolphins are "losing teams", as both are 2-2. And, if you talk about record at the time of the game, neither the Jets nor the 49ers were "losing teams", with the Jets having been 1-0 and the 49ers having a 2-2 record.

Ok. Replace "losing" with "non-winning".

I suppose I should just eat my words. Neither the Dolphins or the Jets will be as bad as they were last year. Actually, the Dolphins are already having a better season.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok. Replace "losing" with "non-winning".

I suppose I should just eat my words. Neither the Dolphins or the Jets will be as bad as they were last year. Actually, the Dolphins are already having a better season.

I think the league is just a jumble right now.....

 

[Brady to Brown]

Are you just being a **** to be a **** or are you that stupid?





I guess I have to stop assuming that people have above an elementary level of education. You condescendingly said "oh great and wise internet poster" insinuating that internet posters cannot be "wise". I know you would not degrade the intelligence of one Albert Einstein and therefore used him as an example. Never did I compare myself to anyone in this entire conversation. But you decide to derail the conversation with your childish remarks.

I never claimed to be "wise", never compared myself to Einstein and never declared anything about an "entire fan base". But you keep up with your amazing reading comprehension.

Now back on topic, you can PM me if you want to continue this, as I do not want to contribute to the hijacking of this thread.

Cassel is 3-1 and showing good improvement. Hopefully the O-Line continues to improve so that Cassel's growth won't be hurt. It's all about improving throughout the year and playing your best football when it matters most.

The first post you made in this thread showed who you are and what you think of the average Patriots fan.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Neither the Jets nor the Dolphins are "losing teams", as both are 2-2. And, if you talk about record at the time of the game, neither the Jets nor the 49ers were "losing teams", with the Jets having been 1-0 and the 49ers having a 2-2 record.

KC did not have a losing record at the time we played them.

 

[TheComeback]

Especially one who supposedly "sucks"?

instead of pointing out his weaknesses why cant more Patriot fans appreciate the situation this kid came into and give him some credit for keeping things a float in a year most people were ready to flush down the toilet?

Because I'm a "real" patriot fan. We are four games into the season. I want a Randy Moss with 500 yards and seven touchdowns. I want a quarterback who throws it 60 yards downfield at least fifteen times a quarter. I want to beat every team on the schedule -- twice.

This season sucks.

 

[jcdavey]

Especially one who supposedly "sucks"?

instead of pointing out his weaknesses why cant more Patriot fans appreciate the situation this kid came into and give him some credit for keeping things a float in a year most people were ready to flush down the toilet?

cassell is actually 2-1

you get credit for a win only when you're a starting qb

he didn't start game 1

that's how it goes at the qb position

this isn't smack...it's fact = Matt Cassel

he's only started 3 games, and qbs in the nfl only have a w/l record from games started

 

[emoney_33]

cassell is actually 2-1

you get credit for a win only when you're a starting qb

he didn't start game 1

that's how it goes at the qb position

this isn't smack...it's fact = Matt Cassel

he's only started 3 games, and qbs in the nfl only have a w/l record from games started

Technicality... Everyone knows Cassel is 3-1, but keep grasping at straws...

 

[AzPatsFan]

cassell is actually 2-1

you get credit for a win only when you're a starting qb

he didn't start game 1

that's how it goes at the qb position

this isn't smack...it's fact = Matt Cassel

he's only started 3 games, and qbs in the nfl only have a w/l record from games started

Bovine pasture patties! When Brady went down barely into the game, the score was Zero to Zero, so it was all Cassel's victory, or loss. If he lost, you WOULD have blamed him and not Brady.

As it was Brady had two posessesions and did little with them, but many critics still said Cassel only had 162 yards passing; not giving him the extra minutes Brady consummed to add to his stats.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Matt has played good (not great) so let's hope he continues to grow into the position.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

The first post you made in this thread showed who you are and what you think of the average Patriots fan.

Lately I've needed to more than double my "ignore" list courtesy of the "average" Patriots fan, or so they would attest.

You chose to respond to emoney's original post with sarcasm, rather then keep the flaming going between the two of you, perhaps you would care to answer the question you posed, "What should we expect of an NFL QB?" I am truly interested, so many have taken me to task recently over my own expectations.

 

[Lifer]

Because I'm a "real" patriot fan. We are four games into the season. I want a Randy Moss with 500 yards and seven touchdowns. I want a quarterback who throws it 60 yards downfield at least fifteen times a quarter. I want to beat every team on the schedule -- twice.

This season sucks.

You are hardly a "real" Patriots fan unless you are a bandwagon jumper who came aboard when they started winning Super Bowls. How can a "real" Patriots fan say 3-1 sucks. You are only concerned with stats because you are probably into fantasy football or something.
Nobody is saying Cassel is an all-Pro. But really, how many backups in the league could take over an NFL team and go 3-1 with all the demands and pressures of this thankless town. How many QB's who "suck" could win 2 straight road games in the NFL.

If you are representative of "real" Patriots fans, which i dont believe you are, then it would be Patriot fans who "suck"

 

[Ryan]

Cassel has been solid thus far. Obviously he's not Tom Brady, but he's playing well. I think a lot of people get on him simply because they know how incredible this offense should be with Brady at the helm, but it's not going to run that way with Cassel under center, so you just have to lower your expectations right now. I'm just glad Cassel isn't making too many mistakes, and making more good decisions than poor ones. As the weeks go by, things will start to run more smoothly and Cassel will start to have some real breakout games.

 

[Dagg]

The question really should be how many backups QBs went 2-1 after inheritinig a team that went un-defeated last regular season.

Unless Miami had a backup QB following the undefeated reg season there are no comparisons.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

The question really should be how many backups QBs went 2-1 after inheritinig a team that went un-defeated last regular season.

Unless Miami had a backup QB following the undefeated reg season there are no comparisons.

I believe Miami's back-up carried them a good portion of that season, but then Miami was a running team, unlike the Pats who are built around Brady.

 

[MassPats38]

The question really should be how many backups QBs went 2-1 after inheritinig a team that went un-defeated last regular season.

Unless Miami had a backup QB following the undefeated reg season there are no comparisons.

The Patriots did go undefeated last year, but lost the final game of the season. The question is did the Giants find a flaw in the offensive line that could be passed to other teams as a blueprint to contain the offense?

For those touting last season's offensive numbers, note this team pretty much marched down field and scored on the first offensive possession of the game throughout last season. This season, Brady went 7 for 11 for 76 yards, no TDs, in two possessions. Cassel, coming in as a backup, threw 7 more times (13 for 18) in that game for 152 yards, no TDs.

This is not a Brady/Cassel comparison but rather an offensive output comparison. If Brady would have put up crazy numbers this season, why didn't he immediately progress toward those numbers in that game? Rust? Is it possible teams learned from the Giants how to affect passing numbers?

Last season was historic. Players are now a year older. Is it realistic to expect that level of offense even with Brady? Might it not be realistic to scale things down a bit without Brady? To say Cassel was handed the keys to the offensive equivalent of a Ferrari which any idiot could press the gas pedal and make it go is to ignore trends last season. Look at the scores of the first 10 games, then look at the last 6. Is that an up trend or down trend in scoring? The answer is a significant down tend. Why? There are theories, but nobody knows for sure.

Give credit where credit is due. Cassel had some big shoes to fill and has shown progress in trying to fill those shoes. There is one Tom Brady, and he is not playing this season. Cassel is not Tom Brady, but he is doing a fair to good job as a starting QB and has shown potential (If you are an irrational Cassel hater, you were choking when he hit that bomb to Moss. How many actual starting NFL QBs could do that? Certainly not all of them.). He owns 3 wins (despite the statistical fact that Brady had the start against the Chiefs) for practical purposes. He will make mistakes, but if he continues to learn from those mistakes this team has a shot at doing something this season.