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Every team in the league has depth issues at some position, it's just the reality of salary cap football. Of course no one has any clue at all what is and is not an actual depth issue until the games are played and players do or do not get hurt. If the Jets 5 oline starters don't get hurt, is there a depth issue? If Mangold and DBrick both get hurt, the Jets could have the greatest depth in the league at the oline and it wouldn't matter because you aren't replacing those 2.
I really, really don't understand this whole "homer" idea that gets thrown around (it does at JI in reference to you Pats fans...). Isn't that kind of the idea of being a fan of your team? Of course we're biased, of course we're delusional sometimes...but what fans aren't?! I have no illusions of grandeur that the Jets have the best of the best of the best at every position...quite the opposite. But I also see no reason to be a doom and gloomer thinking that the sky is falling.
The Jets have, depth issues be damned, a very good team. Is it good enough to win the AFC East? Maybe, maybe not. Luckily there's actually games that will be played to figure it all out.
You can ask 5 Jets fans about Plaxico, Maybin, oline depth (or lacktherof), losing Ellis, etc., etc. and the reality is that none of us know how this work out this season...it's just guess work. I'd love Maybin to be the next LT, but I'm smart enough to know that isn't likely. Does it mean he can't be useful to the team? No, not at all.
This season hinges on Sanchez improving, plain and simple. Not losing Ellis, not oline depth, not the influx of rookies on the dline...Sanchez. If he doesn't improve, nothing else matters. He needs to start making others better, not being carried by them. But I guess the bright side is that if Sanchez fails this year, the Jets can just cut him and trade for Hoyer since he must be the second coming.
Any who...I'm sure I'll get flamed, called a homer, etc. etc. but that's ok. I guess it's just how it works on this whole interwebz thing.
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FWIW, I agree with you. I don't understand why people are ever surprised when message boards are full of homers.
I go to football parties that sometimes have over 100 people at them. I've met all types of homers. You know the guys who see the other team holding us every play, can't ever see it when we do something wrong, are convinced the league is out to screw us, etc, etc. Every fanbase is full of them, and they're fine.
But those guys are 1-2 in a crowd of dozens so normally they get shouted or reasoned into oblivion.
What happens on team boards though is that you get a larger number of homers and they all start reinforcing each other's view points in a cacophony of fandom-induced blindness to reality. The end result is some really biased stuff becomes a prevailing viewpoint for these people and it's the stuff they post that is surprising - not merely their existence.
EG Hoyer > Sanchez talk, etc.
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the jets have a similar fragility to them as the colts have had in past years.....yes, most teams lack depth somewhere on their roster, but the jets lack depth everywhere......maybe with the exception of DL since they have plenty of players who have made it work for Ryan, and wilkerson does appear to be the real deal, at least against the run.
the problem for the jets is that they have squeezed every ounce of ability out of their roster while have little to no significant injuries. their defense will be solid, but is a house of cards.....they can't afford to lose a starting LB.....they can't afford to lose a starting DB.......if they do, they will be givingin up 30 points a game since their defense is one that is more easily exploited when a body is missing.
on offense, they can't afford to lose a WR, OL, RB, TE......
the jets are just as close to crashing and burning as they are to taking the next step.
I go to football parties that sometimes have over 100 people at them. I've met all types of homers. You know the guys who see the other team holding us every play, can't ever see it when we do something wrong, are convinced the league is out to screw us, etc, etc. Every fanbase is full of them, and they're fine.
But those guys are 1-2 in a crowd of dozens so normally they get shouted or reasoned into oblivion.
What happens on team boards though is that you get a larger number of homers and they all start reinforcing each other's view points in a cacophony of fandom-induced blindness to reality. The end result is some really biased stuff becomes a prevailing viewpoint for these people and it's the stuff they post that is surprising - not merely their existence.
EG Hoyer > Sanchez talk, etc.
I think the term homer in general is just overused. A homer is someone that thinks their can do no wrong, has no weaknesses, makes no mistakes in any facet of how the team is run, etc.
Like if I came on this board and started making all sorts of fuss that Sanchez was going to take off this year and be better than Brady, I'd be a homer. If I say that I'm confident that Sanchez will improve this year, but until he actually does it, I'm just stating my opinion based on facts.
It's ok to be confident and optimism for ones team, but it still has to be grounded in reality. At least neither one of our teams are the Bills, Bengals, or Raiders.
the jets have a similar fragility to them as the colts have had in past years.....yes, most teams lack depth somewhere on their roster, but the jets lack depth everywhere......maybe with the exception of DL since they have plenty of players who have made it work for Ryan, and wilkerson does appear to be the real deal, at least against the run.
the problem for the jets is that they have squeezed every ounce of ability out of their roster while have little to no significant injuries. their defense will be solid, but is a house of cards.....they can't afford to lose a starting LB.....they can't afford to lose a starting DB.......if they do, they will be givingin up 30 points a game since their defense is one that is more easily exploited when a body is missing.
on offense, they can't afford to lose a WR, OL, RB, TE......
the jets are just as close to crashing and burning as they are to taking the next step.
While I get your point, it's too vague to actually have any merit. You can't just say "The Jets can't afford to lose a WR, OL, RB, TE......". That is so far from the truth. In reality, the Jets can't afford to lose Holmes, Mangold, DBrick, Greene, Keller. If the Jets lose Kerley, Ducasse, McKnight, Mulligan it's obviously not as dramatic lol.
As someone said earlier it's just a different organizational approach. The Jets, for the most part, have more superstar irreplaceable players on their roster while the Patriots have more talent spread throughout the roster (and having a HOF QB helps ). Are the Pats built better in case of an injury? Of course, there's no debating that. All I can do is hope the Jets don't have an epidemic of injuries this year and see what happens.
While I get your point, it's too vague to actually have any merit. You can't just say "The Jets can't afford to lose a WR, OL, RB, TE......". That is so far from the truth. In reality, the Jets can't afford to lose Holmes, Mangold, DBrick, Greene, Keller. If the Jets lose Kerley, Ducasse, McKnight, Mulligan it's obviously not as dramatic lol.
As someone said earlier it's just a different organizational approach. The Jets, for the most part, have more superstar irreplaceable players on their roster while the Patriots have more talent spread throughout the roster (and having a HOF QB helps ). Are the Pats built better in case of an injury? Of course, there's no debating that. All I can do is hope the Jets don't have an epidemic of injuries this year and see what happens.
the jets can't afford to lose holmes or plax or mason......losing any of them alters what the jets are capable of on offense. the jets also can't lose slauson or moore because they have nobdy behind them....
even though the jets can't afford to lose keller, he might only be 3rd on the depth chart for the pats as the play of both gronkowski and hernandez as 21 year old rookies matched that of keller last year.
the jets have been relatively injury free for both of Ryan's years.....law of averages is bound to catch up......especially this year, where player conditioning will llikely be an issue going into the regular season.
the pats have just as many star-quality players as do the jets.......the issue isn't star quality being concentrated, but rather the money spent.....the jets spent more money on free agents while the pats went with draft picks.....
lack of depth also forces a team to depend on starters for a higher number of plays per game......in particular, the jets LB's.......
While I get your point, it's too vague to actually have any merit. You can't just say "The Jets can't afford to lose a WR, OL, RB, TE......". That is so far from the truth. In reality, the Jets can't afford to lose Holmes, Mangold, DBrick, Greene, Keller. If the Jets lose Kerley, Ducasse, McKnight, Mulligan it's obviously not as dramatic lol.
As someone said earlier it's just a different organizational approach. The Jets, for the most part, have more superstar irreplaceable players on their roster while the Patriots have more talent spread throughout the roster (and having a HOF QB helps ). Are the Pats built better in case of an injury? Of course, there's no debating that. All I can do is hope the Jets don't have an epidemic of injuries this year and see what happens.
So you can afford to lose your crappy backups who are the non-existent depth to begin with. Great insight.
The Pats can lose a TE and still have another great one to go to, that is called depth. We're screwed if Keller goes down is not depth.
And the idea that the Jets have more superstars is laughable. The only WR I'd want is Holmes, and he isn't as good as Welker. I'll take the Pats top 4 before I'd want Mason or Plax.
We can match the Jets 2 best OL with Mankins and Vollmer and then are better and deeper at every other spot on the line. Solder, Light, and Koppen are all better than the Jets 3rd best OL. Moore might sneak in there ahead of Koppen if he's healthy.
At RB I wouldn't say either team has a true star but the Pats are better and deeper once again.
Keller would be Hernandez' backup on the Pats and their 3rd best TE.
DL Pats have Vince, and so much depth it's sickening while the Jets are counting on rookies and Jags.
At LB the only guy you can really call a star on either team is Mayo. Don't give me Harris either. He's a nice player. Solid and a very good tackler but he is not a difference-maker.
Finally at CB Revis is obviously the best of the bunch but McCourty is a budding star in his own right.
Neither teams safeties are great but I'd take the Pats group over the Jets group and gladly.
Now have we discussed QB yet?
Basically the Pats have built their team with stars and depth and the Jets have built with a few stars, crap depth, and a salary-cap assist from the Commish that might be one of the slimiest moves in recent history, nearly on par with stealing a 1st round pick from the Pats.
There is a reason that the Pats are able to regularly overcome injuries that would cripple most teams. It's because they are better.
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I was like, ‘Dang! Um, Mr. Brady, can we line up?’ He didn’t care. He was like, ‘You’re not going to line up.’ When we turned around one time I checked back around and my hand was going to the grass and they were like, ‘Hut!’ And I said, ‘Noooooooooooo!’
While I get your point, it's too vague to actually have any merit. You can't just say "The Jets can't afford to lose a WR, OL, RB, TE......". That is so far from the truth. In reality, the Jets can't afford to lose Holmes, Mangold, DBrick, Greene, Keller. If the Jets lose Kerley, Ducasse, McKnight, Mulligan it's obviously not as dramatic lol.
As someone said earlier it's just a different organizational approach. The Jets, for the most part, have more superstar irreplaceable players on their roster while the Patriots have more talent spread throughout the roster (and having a HOF QB helps ). Are the Pats built better in case of an injury? Of course, there's no debating that. All I can do is hope the Jets don't have an epidemic of injuries this year and see what happens.
As a Jets fan, how did you feel when you found out that dead space from players cut last season would not count against the cap? In your opinion, did that validate your team's attempt to buy a championship at the very likely event that your team would have to shed all of it's talent once the salary cap was re-instated. Considering how much talent your team had to shed as it is, do you realize just how bad your team would have been without that gift in the CBA?
Sanchez would have had a chance to take a big step forward with a great running game and OL. What do you think his chances are now with a crap running game and a bunch of questions marks at OL?
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