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***Deus Irae*** · 07-26-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stinebot

I never said I wouldn't trade him for Adrian Peterson. Let's be realistic here. I was commenting on the fact that just about every time any RB gets released there is a chorus on here to cut Green-Ellis in favor of the other team's castoffs. Is he the best RB out there? No. Does he perform his roll on the team well? Yes.

I agree with you on the notion that getting rid of BJGE while bringing in another RB would be a mistake. He's shown the ability to work as a tandem back. Bringing in another RB (via draft, free agency or trade) should serve as an addition (and hopeful upgrade) rather than a replacement.

***patsfaninpittsburgh*** · 07-26-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jays52

What kind of point differentials did those stats come from? Against what types of defenses? How much depth was available at the position? What kind of blocking schemes was he running behind? How many times was he checked into because of a defense?

If you were playing the Patriots what would you gameplan against? Is that kind of back the type that can win you a game? Again, he's a nice player who had a great season. He played way better than he should have played but his statistics are not an accurate representation of what kind of player he is. He had better stats than Ray Rice, too. You'd rather him than Rice?

Complete, utter nonsense.

You don't prove points with jibberish.

How much money does Ray Rice want, how much does Adrian Peterson want? When Peterson played with a franchise QB in 2009, where did he stand out...besides fumbling in the NFCCG?

jays52 · 07-26-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfaninpittsburgh

Complete, utter nonsense.

You don't prove points with jibberish.

How much money does Ray Rice want, how much does Adrian Peterson want? When Peterson played with a franchise QB in 2009, where did he stand out...besides fumbling in the NFCCG?

My point is simply that there are too many variables and too much complexity in football for today's (even great stuff like football outsiders) statistics to deliver an accurate representation of a player. I like Green Ellis. Let me say that again. I like Green Ellis. I also believe that his production was a perfect storm of factors that can't be expected to manifest on a consistent basis. He's a nice role player who really played well last season but to not view production relative to ability is simply a cursory and often inaccurate observation.

Off The Grid · 07-26-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stinebot

A 1000 yard rusher, 13 TDs last year, and he has NEVER fumbled.

I can't figure out why so many people continue to think Green-Ellis is some nobody that you can replace as easily as you change your socks.

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Originally Posted by jays52

Because some of those people understand blocking schemes?

Beautifull!!

strngplyr · 07-26-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jays52

My point is simply that there are too many variables and too much complexity in football for today's (even great stuff like football outsiders) statistics to deliver an accurate representation of a player. I like Green Ellis. Let me say that again. I like Green Ellis. I also believe that his production was a perfect storm of factors that can't be expected to manifest on a consistent basis. He's a nice role player who really played well last season but to not view production relative to ability is simply a cursory and often inaccurate observation.

You can't really say he won't or can't do it consistently when he hasn't had the chance to. He's only played one full season, and it was a pretty good one considering our lack of solid RB's since Corey Dillon. Let him have one more year before judging his consistency.

Off The Grid · 07-26-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jays52

Green-Ellis is a decent runner.

He reads blocks well, is patient, and he doesn't fumble.

He's a solid, unspectacular back who is a nice player to give your lead backs a breath with.

He's not an NFL starting back.

He played very well last season for his potential, but he had tremendous blocking ahead of him and some truly beautiful play design to mitigate his weaknesses.

Perfect.

***patsfaninpittsburgh*** · 07-26-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jays52

My point is simply that there are too many variables and too much complexity in football for today's (even great stuff like football outsiders) statistics to deliver an accurate representation of a player. I like Green Ellis. Let me say that again. I like Green Ellis. I also believe that his production was a perfect storm of factors that can't be expected to manifest on a consistent basis. He's a nice role player who really played well last season but to not view production relative to ability is simply a cursory and often inaccurate observation.

Actually, it appears Belichick shares your concerns. Why else would we draft RB's in rounds two and three? Maybe that's why BJGE didn't really get the ball in the playoffs.

It seems your "beef" is really the dynamic between RBBC vs feature RB. Based on the Pittsburgh win, you would certainly have a case.

Off The Grid · 07-26-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Aßßynormal

Trade him for Steven Jackson.

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Originally Posted by RodThePat

Let's trade James Sanders for Ed Reed while we're at it.

I hear the Ravens want to get younger on the defensive backfield.

Beautifull!!

Off The Grid · 07-26-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfaninpittsburgh

Complete, utter nonsense.

Actually, it was a deeply insightfull post, showing a crystal clear understanding of Reality.

But it's to be expected that you wouldn't be able to process it.

letekro · 07-26-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jays52

My point is simply that there are too many variables and too much complexity in football for today's (even great stuff like football outsiders) statistics to deliver an accurate representation of a player. I like Green Ellis. Let me say that again. I like Green Ellis. I also believe that his production was a perfect storm of factors that can't be expected to manifest on a consistent basis. He's a nice role player who really played well last season but to not view production relative to ability is simply a cursory and often inaccurate observation.

I like green ellis too, but a good back would have made the Jets pay for dropping so many into coverage with a couple of 20 yard runs, rather than eeking out 4 and 5 yard gains. He's a solid player, but BJGE's lack of speed and elusiveness cost them in that game.