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Old 11-07-2009, 08:35 AM   #31
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Its not a question of haves and have-nots anymore. Half the MLB spends over $80 now, and a third of it spends over $100. There are some teams that simply do not spend, but it is no longer a huge gap between the Sox & other teams. The fact of the matter is the Yankees have a $90 milli advantage over the Sox, and in another thread, I said that's akin to about 5-7 All Star players (Derek Jeter (21 Mill) + Mark Teixeira (20 mill) + CC Sabathia (15 mil) + Johnny Damon (13 mil) + Mariano Rivera (15 mil) + Robinson Cano (6 mil) to be exact).

5 years ago, MAYBE it would've been hypocritical for Sox fans to complain about Yankee spending (still, I'd argue the gap was so wide its still an unfair advantage). But NOW, the gap in spending across MLB has narrowed, and the playing field is leveling - except for ONE team, the New York Yankees.
I don't see how anyone can take MLB seriously without a salary cap. And it should be a cap low enough to be within reach of the poorest teams. This is why I don't watch baseball anymore, which I loved as a kid. It's a joke as a pro sport. I hope the Yankees win it every year until the owners realize something's got to give.
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Old 11-07-2009, 11:58 AM   #32
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It's not about the Sox, though - it's about baseball in general. And things have changed dramatically in the last 5 years or so.

If you want to argue the 2004 Sox bought the World Series, I'll listen. There's an argument there. But I think what the Yankees did this offseason has to make the victory feel a little cheaper. That's just me. You could very well take the approach of - "these are the rules, the Yankees are playing within the rules, they have the money to spend, why not spend it?"
As I've said before in here, I root for the laundry. Whether my favorite team does it through home grown talent, aquired players, free agents, with players I like, players I hate, or by virture of the other team not having its best players, I root for the laundry. When any of these teams are playing their games, my heart doesn't pound any less because I don't like Randy Moss personally, or cuz I think it's unfair that the Yankees paid $180 million for Mark Textiera. Those things don't matter when the game is going on. That's not to say that I'm ignorant to the fact of course. The point is, nothing feels cheaper when the laundry wins. Do the Patriots titles feel cheaper post spygate? They don't for me. Did the Celtics title feel cheaper since they did it with players from other teams basically? Not for me. In a perfect world we'd all love our teams to win in a perfect fashion, but in the end, we really just want our teams to win.
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I don't see how anyone can take MLB seriously without a salary cap. And it should be a cap low enough to be within reach of the poorest teams. This is why I don't watch baseball anymore, which I loved as a kid. It's a joke as a pro sport. I hope the Yankees win it every year until the owners realize something's got to give.
That's never going to happen. The union would never sign off on that. Why would the union take a pay cut, which is what such a set up would ealisly mean. That's why the luxury tax is the way it's gone.
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You're such a weenie cry baby. Waaaaaaa, my sox can't compete, waaaaa....Yeah, I'm sure you were complaining in 2004, and in 2007 too. If the sox were a small market team, I'd agree with you. the sox are not. The Yankees have an advantage in total dollars over the sox, but it's not as severe as it is for the smaller market teams, who cannot afford to retain their own players, nevermind sign JD Drew to $70 million deals. Look at Cleveland for example. CC, and Lee were the two best pitchers in the World Series, and Victor Martinez secured Boston's spot in the playoffs. Who do you think has a beef? You, a Phillies fan, or a fan from Cleveland? Exactly.



The Yankees shared $100 million dollars with other teams in the league. The Yankees didn't pull a Pirates, and invest less, to ensure a larger profit. They spend money to make money, and every dollar they spend, is only worth about 66 cents because of revenue sharing. Furthermore, the Sox had every opportunity to sign Text, and they blew it. You have John Henry to thank for that. Again, if you were a Royals fan, or from Tampa, I'd agree with your personal disdain for the disparity in salary. That's not the case though.

A salary cap, a hard cap that is, will never happen. As I stated previously, a cap limit, means a cap bottom, and too many teams do not want to be forced to spend whatever that bottom is, year in, and year out. On top of that, the Union wants nothing to do with a limit on compensation. That's why a luxury tax is the only way to go. Taxing dollars after a maximum threshhold, allows owners who are willing to invest the extra dollar for a chance at a championship, the opportunity to do so, while simultanesouly extending added capital to bottom salaried teams. The NBA does this to an extent through their cap system, that has a salary cap threshhold, and a luxury tax limit after that. The Knicks for example spend well over $100 million per season on salary & tax, while other teams may spend $40-50 overall. Dolan, the owner of the Knicks doesn't care, cuz he wants to win. Mark Cuban does the same. Why penalize owners who want to invest in their team. As a Bruins fan, I could only wish that Jeremy Jacobs were that way. Prior to the cap years, he had a core groups of cup quality players, but he would never invest the extra dollars to bring in the 1, 2 or 3 players that would have made the difference. Screw that. As Mike Singletary says, I WANT WINNERS! Carl Pohlad of the Twins is a billionaire. He could easily add a marque player at the deadline, but he won't part with the cash. I can't pity those people. I can pity Tampa, Washington, Cleveland, Oakland, etc.
What a bunch of garbage.

Yes or no question here. Do the Yankees have an advantage over the Red Sox as far as spending money? Hold on, let me answer that for you...

YES!!!!

Doesn't matter if the Red Sox have an advantage over another team. The point here is that the Yankees have a giant advantage over EVERY TEAM, while the Red Sox have a big advantage over SOME TEAMS.

It's not rocket science. You must have taken a class from Hal Steinbrenner on how to not understand basic logic lol.

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Actually ... in place of a cap they could tweek the draft and achieve greater parity. Take away sandwhich picks for top teams ... take away 1st round picks for top teams. The top teams will still survive by going harder after the players who don't have to enter the draft. In any case ... tweaking the draft would make a huge change in parity and it won't affect salaries at all.

Top talent could still drop to later rounds by demanding more signing bonus. But if they tiered the selections and tweaked the draft the have nots would improve greatly vs the haves.
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I don't have a problem that the Yankees choose to spend money to win, that's something any fan would want ownership to do. As mentioned by Real World some owners such as the Twins' are just flat out cheap and aren't willing to make the financial commitment for the (assumed) best possible talent.

I have a problem with the system that allows them to do that.

Can't blame the Yankees for taking advantage of no salary cap.
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Actually ... in place of a cap they could tweek the draft and achieve greater parity. Take away sandwhich picks for top teams ... take away 1st round picks for top teams. The top teams will still survive by going harder after the players who don't have to enter the draft. In any case ... tweaking the draft would make a huge change in parity and it won't affect salaries at all.

Top talent could still drop to later rounds by demanding more signing bonus. But if they tiered the selections and tweaked the draft the have nots would improve greatly vs the haves.
No offense, none of that sounds logical or something that would/could ever work.

MLB needs to get with the program and allow TRADING OF PICKS. It is ridiculous that they don't. This would allow teams with less money to not get screwed into having a top pick in the draft where they cant afford the top tier players....Or when smaller market teams look to trade players, they can acquire picks to rebuild, etc.

Makes too much sense not to happen, I'm not sure why MLB doesnt allow this anyway. Can anyone think of a reason why this shouldnt happen?

And YES, there SHOULD be a salary cap. Not only that, but I think there should be a salary floor as well.

Man, the MLB could really learn alot from the NFL....

There should be a draft slot system as well. None of this Strasburg requiring enormous money before they even play.

Selig sucks, I know this isnt his fault, but still.
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That's never going to happen. The union would never sign off on that. Why would the union take a pay cut, which is what such a set up would ealisly mean. That's why the luxury tax is the way it's gone.
Yeah, the owners and players deserve each other. It's why you have a failing sport filled with lazy rich cretins like Manny Ramirez.

Here's a novel idea: Have a hard salary cap and THEN allow further contract bonuses based on performance, payable at season's end. But I suppose that's too logical and equitable to work for MLB.
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