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Re: The significance of Brian Daboll hiring
Originally Posted by unoriginal
I believe elsewhere it has been noted the Pats have one of the smallest coaching staffs in the league, primarily due to their own talent being poached around the league year after year. This move is probably less about targeting a certain coaching need then just hiring coaching talent when it becomes available again. Like the players, many of these guys can coach and have coached multiple positions.
Good thoughts. There may be other reasons as well.
Daboll was born and raised in this system and organization. He knows it and may have developed a few wrinkles that may help the offense this time of year.
Maybe O'Shea or Godsey gave BB their notice and are moving on.
Maybe JMD told BB Mallet needs more mentoring and doesn't have the time.
Maybe the fact that JMD will be a HC in 2014 (somewhere?) and BB respects Daboll enough to potentially create an opportunity for him here.
I think because he was an OC for teams that played the Pats, maybe there is that "outsiders perspective" that BB really values this time of year.
Who knows for sure but the fact that BB would sign off on Daboll joining the staff during a playoff run tells me that he respects the hell out of him and appreciates his work enough that he thinks he can help the team.
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The Patriots ahve announced that former Patriots coach and OC at several other teams will be joining the Patriots staff.
Why now? Daboll was his OC under McDaniel, so he is comfortable with him, and would make an easy transition to OC under McDaniels.
Unfortunately I think you're off. BB is coaching for 5+ more years. No one has ever heard him say anything about retirement. Period.
The reality is if the McDaniels isn't going to wait around 5 yrs to be a HC. He had a deal with BB to stay at least 2 (or 3) hence his declining to interview this cycle. But he will be leaving again and Daboll is probably going to get an extended interview process (i.e. assistant for a year or 2) for the OC.
I see this as preliminary preparations for the post brady patriots. without brady, it will be back to the drawing board where a more protective scheme will have to take on a much bigger role much as it did in the first few year of brady's career. the pats won 3 SB's with BB,weis,crennel,mcdaniel,mangini,obrien,daboll,etc .........a very accomplished bunch.....you'll need that again at some point
it's like building a machine......you need people to build it, then when its running great, you don't need the people as much.....but when its time to rebuild the machine, you need them again
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Saban said, within the last week, that he has no intention of returning to the NFL. Ever.
Daboll was re-hired, in my honest opinion, because of his ability to develop WRs. Daboll was the WR coach who helped Troy Brown and David Patten develop their rapport with Brady and then also who helped Deion Branch and David Givens. Daboll also seems to be better at talent evaluation of WRs than McDaniels. It was Daboll who said that Chad Jackson wouldn't be coachable and wouldn't work in New England despite the glowing endorsement Jackson got from McDaniels..
The Pats have failed to draft a WR who has been capable of developing into a productive receiver since Givens, though Edelman seems close..
Interesting info there. WR is one of the few areas where the top contributors are on the wrong side of 30 and should be a focus in upcoming drafts.
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Sorry Mo. Can't agree with the claim that Daboll failed as an OC. No one would have succeeded as an OC in Cleveland with the garbage that was there. In Miami, they actually improved under Daboll's tutelage. It wasn't Daboll's fault that Sparano was a horrible HC and that Miami brought in garbage players.. As for in KC, not sure how you can blame Daboll there. They lost their starting center 3 games in and didn't have an adequate back-up. That has to fall on Pioli, RAC and their O-Line Coach. They also lost their primary back-up TE (Kevin Boss) after 2 games, though they still had enough offensive weapons that they should have done better than they did, but Lilja, Hochstein and Allen proved not to be up to the task of holding up the interior of that line.. And that hurt them big time.
Where I will hold Daboll accountable as an OC is the fact that Cassell clearly regressed. Possibly because of the injuries. Possibly because of getting sacked so many times (41 times in his last 18 games). But possibly from Daboll being his 3rd OC in 4 years..
I think the fact that every offense he has ever coordinated has stunk means more than all of the excuses you want to line up for him.
1) Daboll needed a job and fits well in the system he knows in New England.
2) Josh won't leave this year, but could certainly leave in the next couple of years. Josh is in the position of having a great job; but, someone could tempt him. I don't see Josh simply sitting around for 5 years in the expectation that he will lead the post-Belichick, post-Brady patriots. I expect the Belichick-Brady era to end with them both leaving in 5 years or so.
3) We need additional coaching talent. It cannot hurt to have a coach with strengths in developing QB's and WR's.
4) i see no negatives in adding Daboll and no need for looking for the retirement of Belichick or even the leaving of Josh.
"Daboll excels at reading defenses, clueing quarterbacks in on what to look for as they walk up to the center before the ball is snapped. It’s a crucial moment when the quarterback must determine if the play that’s been called by the coaches will work against the defensive formation on the field.
“The little keys he gives us to read the defense cut down on the things you have to do as you are walking up to the line, so you don’t have to worry about as much,” says Ratliff. “He can explain defenses—tell you how they play and why they play like they play.”
Further evidence that Daboll will be used in game prep for the offense
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Some here think NFL assistants appear out of nowhere. Daboll and McDaniels both served as defensive assistants on Saban's staff at MSU. Dean Pees was Saban's DC twice in college at Toledo and MSU. Coaching is a fraternity.