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Old 12-03-2012, 11:39 AM   #101
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"Welker shouldn't get paid because he's old and going to be in inevitable decline" will eventually be the right answer, because Welker will eventually lose the age/injury battle, just as everyone does. When that happens, all the IBBIT types will crow about having been right, just as Felger crows about being right about Moss in 2010, after having been wrong about Moss for the 3 years prior.
Exactly, couldn't have said it better. I thought the Welker decline would already be happening, due to his size, reception counts, and the way that he plays the game. I was obviously wrong. Eventually I'll be right, but based on what we've seen out of Welker over the last five years, I'm no longer even remotely sure that I'll be right in the next 2 years. Based on that, I think the Patriots are taking a bigger risk by not signing him to an agreeable contract than they would be taking by signing him.
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:41 AM   #102
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Question for someone with more knowledge re: cap and contracts than I have:

At what point will cutting Mankins become a viable option? Because if that frees up the money to fund all/most of years 2 and/or 3 of a Welker extension, then I think it's pretty obvious which player is more important to this offense and which is more likely to have durability issues moving forward.
According to Jason, it would be $10 million in cap, and $12 million in dead money, in 2013, meaning they'd be underwater on the move:

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It would be $10.5 million in cap and $8 million in dead money in 2014, meaning they'd only gain $2.5 million on an $8 million loss.

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To put it another way: I'm not saying that it will come down to this, but if it did, would you rather have Welker or Mankins for the next three years?
I choose both!
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Seriously. Are you Welker's Dad?

We get it, you like him. There's no need to insult people because you don't agree with them.
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Exactly, couldn't have said it better. I thought the Welker decline would already be happening, due to his size, reception counts, and the way that he plays the game. I was obviously wrong. Eventually I'll be right, but based on what we've seen out of Welker over the last five years, I'm no longer even remotely sure that I'll be right in the next 2 years. Based on that, I think the Patriots are taking a bigger risk by not signing him to an agreeable contract than they would be taking by signing him.
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Broncos: Thomas/Decker...not signing another big $$ receiver.
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To put it another way: I'm not saying that it will come down to this, but if it did, would you rather have Welker or Mankins for the next three years?
Welker by a length and a half. I think it's easier to replace 90% of Mankins than 90% of that little beast.
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Just wanted to point to how well the "Let's rest/sit Welker more this year" is working out... In yesterday's game, Welker was in for 75 of 79 snaps.
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Just wanted to point to how well the "Let's rest/sit Welker more this year" is working out... In yesterday's game, Welker was in for 75 of 79 snaps.
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