JJDChE

I'm just comparing the fact that they both are/were throwing a lot inside the 10, which leads to inflated pass TDs compared to teams that are more run/pass balanced inside the 10.

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CityOfChampions

How? The Broncos have 5 rushing TD's this season. The 2007 Patriots had 17 rushing TD's.

Edited to add: Can we not even bring up Peyton anymore in posts about Tom? He's having a good year and everyone plus their mom's are talking about it. Let's focus on Brady since a lot of people are ignoring it.

ivanvamp

The 2007 Patriots were the greatest offense in modern NFL history. This year's Broncos are good, but not remotely at that level.

upstater1

OK, let's see. What are you doing wrong here.

This is a thread about Brady's stats this year.

We are comparing his stats this year against other player's stats this year.

In 2007, Brady had 50 TDs to 8 INTs. Manning was at 31 TDs to 14 INTs.

The Patriots that year scored 17 rushing TDs, while Indy had 19.
The Patriots had 2 return TDs, Indy had 1.
The Patriots had 6 defensive TDs, Indy had 2.

Total non-passing TDs in 2007:

Patriots 25, Indy 22

So, anyway you cut it (go on and on and on about Brady throwing short goalline passes), remove them from Brady's totals, and what conclusions do you draw about Brady's stats in the 2007 season?

Nothing changes.

JJDChE

WTF are you talking about?

Some guy was complaining that Manning is throwing a lot inside the 10 this year so his stats are "inflated". I said, well, so did our guy when he won the MVP a few years ago, but I doubt anyone here was complaining when Brady did it. Just saying...Don't be a hypocrite. That's all.

I have no clue how you brought Manning's 2007 into this.

So, in summary, Manning is just pulling a Brady.

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Cassanova792

Considering the Broncos were the #1 Rushing team last year and McGahee was #8 in RB yards, i would say Denver has a solid running game. Obviously Manning has something to prove this year. as did Brady in 07, the only difference is Brady had no running game (Maroney) and yet still managed to utilize the run game more in the red zone than Manning of this year. He doesnt even try to hand off to McGahee, on the 1 yard line, on first down, Manning is chucking bombs (watch the Bengals game). All year he has rarely given his RB's a chance to score in the red zone.

Oh by the way, the 07 Brady was pulling an 04 Manning.

Fixit

I think the thrust is this:

In 2012, Brady is having an amazing year, but Manning is getting more love for throwing 3 more TD's, even though he's consistently throwing for TD near the goal line, whereas Brady is handing it off more at the goal line and leading his team to more points (and against arguably better defenses). In an MVP discussion, the two are close, and something like this should factor in.

You're trying to make the argument that Brady did the same thing in 2007, but there's a major difference. That difference is that there was nobody even close to Brady that season.

Sicilian

JJDChE

Yeah, and '04 Manning was pulling an '84 Marino, and so on.

It's poor form to complain about it. The coaches feel like Manning is the better option down there. It's a pretty reasonable decision. Manning v. McGahee. No brainer. Just like Brady v. Maroney was an easy choice.

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upstater1

You're right. But that's not relevant to this at all. Why? Because I agree with you that the amount of inflated close to the goalline TDs should be deducted from Brady's numbers in 2007 in comparison to other QBs who lead their teams down there in 2007 and ran it in instead. But where does that get us? Nowhere.