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Old 11-19-2012, 09:15 AM   #11
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Unfortunately, we all know Manning will win it.
Yup. So many guys who could win it, so we know how that goes.

Funny, I remember when Manning was with the Colts and, if it was close, people would say Manning means more to the Colts than Brady does to the Pats (ie where would they be without him?) If that standard is applied this year, it's easily in Brady's favor. That Denver D got the team to the playoffs last with Tim Freaking Tebow at QB, and is only getting better.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:25 AM   #12
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I have never understood the love fest by the media for Manning. I get that he is a great player, but the amount of attention he gets is far more than any other 'great ' player in recent memory !

Sometimes so many players are over looked for their accomplishments because it seems that as long as Manning is playing and part of the discussion, no one merits any serious consideration.
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The Patriots, not surprisingly, are dead last in total punts, but the other two teams aren't that far behind:

Patriots: 34
Donkeys: 42
Falcons: 37
Packers: 48
Right, good point. But I wasn't mentioning that to show how much better the Patriots' offense is. I was simply questioning the amount of weight given to incompletions in the QB rating statistic. It's given far far too much weight, especially in the pass happy NFL now where a 4 or 5 yard run on 1st down followed by a 2nd down incompletion does not seem to hurt these top teams when it comes to third downs. In the old days, it really meant something that you blanked on 2nd down. Now, not so much. This is precisely why the stat is totally misleading.

This goes for Luck as well. His completion % was abysmally low, but he had his team at 6-3 prior to yesterday, precisely because they moved the ball and scored. Granted, his INTs are way too high, and that hurts his rating just as bad, but he's hurt just as badly for lack of completions.
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I have never understood the love fest by the media for Manning. I get that he is a great player, but the amount of attention he gets is far more than any other 'great ' player in recent memory !

Sometimes so many players are over looked for their accomplishments because it seems that as long as Manning is playing and part of the discussion, no one merits any serious consideration.
To borrow from SNL's Chris Matthews impression: I'd call Pay-me-tons a media whore, but that'd be offensive to whores.
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Yup. So many guys who could win it, so we know how that goes.

Funny, I remember when Manning was with the Colts and, if it was close, people would say Manning means more to the Colts than Brady does to the Pats (ie where would they be without him?) If that standard is applied this year, it's easily in Brady's favor. That Denver D got the team to the playoffs last with Tim Freaking Tebow at QB, and is only getting better.
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Manning is a great player no doubt but has anyone ever watched a Broncos game? Anything under the opponents 10 yard line, 95% of the offensive plays are passing. Especially at the 1 frigen yard line. I get he has something to prove but cmon. Brady would have far more superior stats (31-3 TD/INT) if he consistently pulled a Manning.
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Manning is a great player no doubt but has anyone ever watched a Broncos game? Anything under the opponents 10 yard line, 95% of the offensive plays are passing. Especially at the 1 frigen yard line. I get he has something to prove but cmon. Brady would have far more superior stats (31-3 TD/INT) if he consistently pulled a Manning.
And the Broncos defense has looked great which helps.
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Manning is a great player no doubt but has anyone ever watched a Broncos game? Anything under the opponents 10 yard line, 95% of the offensive plays are passing. Especially at the 1 frigen yard line. I get he has something to prove but cmon. Brady would have far more superior stats (31-3 TD/INT) if he consistently pulled a Manning.

Kinda like 2007, when Brady won the MVP?
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Kinda like 2007, when Brady won the MVP?
Yeah because 2012 Manning is comparable to 2007 Brady right? In 2007 we had 14 rushing TD's, the Bronco's have 5 so far. If Manning throws for 50 TD's and 9 interceptions I'll deliver the MVP trophy to him myself.
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Brady's worst two games by passer rating:

at Sea: 36-58 (62.1%), 395 yds, 2 td, 2 int, 79.3 rating
vs Ari: 28-46 (60.9%), 316 yds, 1 td, 1 int, 79.6 rating

In each one, he completed over 60% of his passes, threw for more than 300 yards, and in neither case did he have more INTs than TDs.

Again, these were his two *worst* games of the year, by quite a bit.

That's amazing.
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