ivanvamp

Agreed. Pro football is a cutthroat business, and Mangini was clearly trying to get a leg up on the Patriots. Well, it bit him in the butt and it caused all sorts of problems for the Patriots, but the fact is, if Belichick and Kraft could forgive him and bring him in, and it guaranteed (big IF) the Pats a SB title, who am I to complain about that?

upstater1

Can we bring back young Ty Law and middle aged Rodney Harrison too?
Hell, bring back Roman Phifer as well!!

In fact, if we get those guys back, screw Mangini. Matt Patricia's dog could coach those guys to the SB.

PATSYLICIOUS

Yes I would. I remember a secondary with the likes of Randall Gay, Troy Brown, and Eugene Wilson getting significant snaps, yet it was our best playoff run in franchise history. And whenever QB's would loft up prayers they knew how to defend it a vast majority of the time (I can recall one bomb to Pinkston in sb39 otherwise this play was always well defended by those guys). You didn't see our top CB's getting toasted by the likes of Jacoby Jones and Golden Tate on a normal basis. While personnel is still the main reason we haven't been getting it done like those teams, give credit where it's due to Romeo, Mangini, and company.

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Armchair Quarterback

Thing is, they're teaching the DB's to play this way for a reason and whatever that reason is it is coming from BB. They could have the CB's jamming at the line, they could have them playing tight coverage and they could teach them to play the ball instead of the receiver's eyes but they don't.

They don't need Mangini here to do any of those things and if BB lost his mind and gave that rat bastard a job he'd still be teaching the DB's to play the way BB wants them to. BB is comfortable sitting back, being patient and waiting for the other team to make a mistake. It's sometimes painful to watch but for whatever reason this is how he wants to play, hiring Mangini wouldn't change that. Do you think the need Mangini to come in say jam them at the line or play the ball instead of the receiver. It's about the philosophy more so than the coach.

And if he is such a good coach, why is he still not employed as one?

Maybe with the Talib trade along with Dennard getting more playing time with McCourty at S we'll see a change in their approach.

Armchair Quarterback

Just because Kraft was upset with BB doesn't mean he holds Mangini blameless. I'd bet he views Mangini as an ungrateful traitor.

Avenger

I think you are misreading Kraft's quotes. And Branch and Josh never did anything like Mangini

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mgteich

Why Robert Kraft called Bill Belichick a 'schmuck' - NFL.com

mgteich

"Ungrateful traitor" is indeed a characterization that folks on message boards use. The Krafts are business folk. If Belichick thought Mangini would improve the team, the Kraft's wouldn't challenge his football judgement. If Belichick could live with re-signing of Mangini, Kraft certainly wouldn't stand in the way.

Haley

How about instead we bring in Rex Ryan as DC when he gets fired at the end of the year?

Armchair Quarterback

Yeah dem darn fancy businessey like gentlemen sure a lot more smarter den us plain ol messageboardy folk.