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Old 10-18-2012, 01:07 PM   #11
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when's the last time he had a 4th qtr comeback?
He had two last year. Once against Baltimore in the playoffs and once against Dallas. Keep in perspective that he also doesn't get many opportunities for comebacks. They last 4 games all of last year.
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:09 PM   #12
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Brady's 2 picks and intentional grounding were the things I was most concerned about from last week which are execution items and will happen from time to time and have. The media is there to fill time between games and compete against other media outlets for viewership and as such will throw whatever they can against a wall and see what sticks. The 'magic' that is referred to is overblown to begin with. The consistency of a player's performance for an entire game and game to game determines the quality of the player and none more so that the QB. Has any QB been better than Brady over his career using that basis for evaluation? Tough to argue anyone has been better but its not sexy enough to use that as a basis. Its the most recent games that are mostly used and within those, the last few minutes. Peyton had a great 2nd half against the Chargers but the Broncos defense and Rivers' poor execution had as much to do with the comeback as him.
I actually like it when Brady is openly questionned in the media as he tends to play with such an intense focus and fire subsequently.
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when's the last time he had a 4th qtr comeback?
Dallas, 2011.
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Against Dallas; he also effectively did it against the Giants in the regular season, but the defense turned around and handed the victory to Eli.
Yeah, I've seen that before.
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Dallas, 2011.
Again, he did the same thing two weeks later vs. the Giants.

In both cases though - we're talking about two things. There is maintaining a lead; and there is playing from behind in a two minute situation. The two couldn't be any different. I don't think anybody worries about this offense in a two minute situation.

If someone wants to point to SB42 or SB46, I'd ask them to look up the expected win percentage the moment the Patriots took over the ball with 30-40 seconds at their own 20. Those were not two minute drills, those were desperation attempts. Brady can still run a two minute drill to end a game, even if he's asked to do it less often since they play ahead so much (vs Ravens 07, vs Bills 09, vs Cowboys 11, vs Giants regular season 11).

The bigger issue is how the offense fares when MAINTAINING/PROTECTING a lead. That's what it's struggled to do. And the fact is, in the fourth quarter of a game, it's easier to be productive from behind than ahead for a passing offense. This team has to figure it out.
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Again, he did the same thing two weeks later vs. the Giants.

In both cases though - we're talking about two things. There is maintaining a lead; and there is playing from behind in a two minute situation. The two couldn't be any different. I don't think anybody worries about this offense in a two minute situation.

If someone wants to point to SB42 or SB46, I'd ask them to look up the expected win percentage the moment the Patriots took over the ball with 30-40 seconds at their own 20. Those were not two minute drills, those were desperation attempts. Brady can still run a two minute drill to end a game, even if he's asked to do it less often since they play ahead so much (vs Ravens 07, vs Bills 09, vs Cowboys 11, vs Giants regular season 11).

The bigger issue is how the offense fares when MAINTAINING/PROTECTING a lead. That's what it's struggled to do. And the fact is, in the fourth quarter of a game, it's easier to be productive from behind than ahead for a passing offense. This team has to figure it out.
I only count a 4th quarter comeback as one that results in a team win when discussing this issue. In the case of the Giants game, the defense completely and utterly **** the bed on the last drive. I don't fault Brady for that, but I don't give him credit for a 4th quarter comeback there.

Agree with the rest of your post though.
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He is a better QB than he was in 2004 than when he was collecting his third ring.

He was the MVP two years ago,
last year passed for the second most yards in NFL history,
and is now undoubtedly the key player and leader of the #1 offense in the game .

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Nope, not to me he hasn't. The team just has to play a little better as a whole. Let's have some faith.
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In the past 3½ years, the Patriots have more losses by seven points or fewer (12) than they did in Brady's first seven seasons combined (10).
I think this is an issue of small sample size. If you look at the close games that Brady has played in over his career, there really aren't many.

Close games by year (win/loss by 7 points)
  • Year #W L
    2001 6 4 2
    2002 5 3 2
    2003 8 7 1
    2004 3 2 1
    2005 5 4 1
    2006 6 4 2
    2007 3 3 0
    2009 8 3 5
    2010 4 4 0
    2011 6 4 2
    2012 3 0 3

I really don't really see a trend here. Its more a couple of outliers that stand out. In 2003 the pats played a bunch of close games and won most of them. In 2009 they played a bunch of close games and lost most of them. This year they are losing most of them. However, in between 2009 and this year were two years that pretty much fell in line historically.

One thing is for certain, they certainly have lost more close games this year than most other, but I think that has less to do with Brady. Heck, if it weren't for Ghost missing a relatively easy kick I don't think anyone is talking about this right now. This reaction has more to do with last Sunday's game, which was a poor game for him, than any sort of trend that we have seen coming.
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