vyrago

Why do I think that this is not the best way to generate and open-minded review of the facts? Just me, I guess.

newton_tom_cat

can't say i'm a big jimmy fan. think he was highly over rated as a coach and beneficiary of a windfall trade with the vikings. but he's right on this. the problem really is the media doesn't like bellichik. he doesn't talk much and he's not funny, so he doesn't provide them much material. he's just a winner. he's everything they hate

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signbabybrady

Absolutley the case. Since Goddell took over he had made it his mision to be a stiff hard nosed comish with regards to player conduct. Than this happened and he didn't want to come off as soft even though he had to know the true depth of video taping in the NFL.

Instead he came off has the hard nose guy he wants to be and completely left the Patriots out to dry so that he could protect his hard nosed image.

Than when he could have made the Patriots look not so bad by admiting how much the NFL practices video taping he chose to protect he NFL shield rather than softing the Patriot bashing.

There is so much Goodell could have done to bury this but instead he tried to use it for his advantage and it may have worked for him too. Not sure if that is how I want my comish to act but he has really made himself look the way he wanted thru this whole thing.

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MoLewisrocks

Exactly. And based on that framework which Goodell admittedly was unfamiliar with at the time he initially dealt with something so many seem to want him to revisit now, this is what he should do in revisiting it.

Admit a commissioner new to his job who was taking substantial heat from the union and in some cases the media for coming down hard on players whose off field behavior was tarnishing the shield was unduly influenced by vocal cross section of people who resented the hell out of Bill Belichick's (and to a lesser extent Bob Kraft's) success for reasons unrelated to the issue at hand. And not being a football guy himself, not to mention being pissed off that he perceived this as a slap at his authority committed in his own backyard, Goodell over reacted under the guise of further sending a message. His punishment allowed those who desperately wanted to make more of this than it actually was to proceed based on the rationale that unprecedented penalties = unprecedented offenses. Sorry but cheating the cap to maintain a Superbowl winning offense, twice, was a lot more damaging to the integrity of the game than taping defensive handsignals everyone in the stadium can see from an illegal position. And the penalty for that was no fine and the loss of 3rd and 5th round draft choices. And apparently that penalty was sufficiently effective since we haven't seen any more of that behavior since.

Goodell should fall on his sword to put an end to this, and maybe if he did he would end up reclaiming his authority. He should revisit his decision and rescind the monetary penalty that management in Denver and SF did not face, dock us a 3rd rounder this year, make it clear that the penalty was levied for a totality of behavior regarding video taping infractions, stipulate that any FUTURE infractions by this or any other NFL team will be dealt with exponentially more severely and state that if evidence of more eggregious violations such as in-game use of taped signal stealing or tampering with in-game audio equipment or team miking of players or tampering with players under contract is uncovered he will personally undertake a league wide investigation of those practices. He should also note that the damage done to the Patriots brand has far exceeded his intent in penalizing the procedural rules infraction in question.

He's tried to backpedal by doing things like mentioning how he now realizes that stealing signals is part of the game and any coach worth his salt knows this and changes them accordingly. He pointed out that a coach on one tape was waving to the camera indicating he was well aware he was being taped. He has stated that no competitive advantage was gained through the use of video tape based on the explanation of use Belichick gave him and the corroberating evidence that backed up that contention, and therefore no championship performances were impacted. He has also stated that he is aware of rumors that other organizations were taping and perhaps using those tapes to gain an actual in game advantage.

But as innocuous as he now tries to make it sound, the fact that he imposed the penalty he did remains the touchstone for those who refuse to let this go. It has to be big because he made it big. And he created the witch hunt mentality by assuaging his early critics who wanted Belichick gone via suspension by leaving the door open for information or inuendo on further infractions. Nobody is even sure that spying on an opponent's practices is prohibited by rule in the NFL in part because the NFL doesn't make those rules readily available. Yet we now have a media driven whack job in congress wanting to investigate allegations of the existence of such a tape even as the source in question has never actually admitted one exists.

He also needs to state that he is uncomfortable dealing with a member of congress who is publicly and apparently shamelessly using this as a means to leverage the comissioner of this league to alter it's stance on dealing with the cable industry regarding broadcast business policies.

eom

how was his college career?

I like anyone who innovates.

upstater1

I blame Goodell for the PR fiasco.

But I don't blame him for having a less than clear rule.

Goodell said this himself in the Costas interview. When Costas asked how does the NFL police itself against high-tech gadgetry and spying, Goodell said: "This wasn't high-tech and it was in the open." He very well knows that it is a PR issue.

He knows the NFL can't legislate against the stealing of signals. These teams are worth billions. There is a lot of high-tech stuff out there that the NFL could never ever possibly legislate against, and that's why there's nothing in the rulebook about stealing signals.

That doesn't necessarily mean he can let everything go. He's the commissioner of a sports league. He doesn't have to behave like King Solomon or a judge.

That being said, our first round draft choice was much much too harsh a punishment. Circumventing the league's salary cap resulted in the loss of a 3rd rounder. That was much much worse than this.

newton_tom_cat

no championships @ oklahoma. suffered embaressing loss to boston university when his team was leading 20 - 3 with 3 minutes remaining in 4th quarter.

one championship @ U of M riding the fumes of the program built by Howard Schnellenberger, who was the 1st coach to win a championship there. but of course no one remembers that since JJ and his classless style brought all the attention to him.

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neuronet

Many thanks for sharing that wonderful quote. I feel just sick today. I hate that mother F-er specter.

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The difference is that Brady calmly calls audibles while Manning flaps like a chicken, barks 11 code words, and makes sure every camera in the stadium has documented his once-in-a-generation (and patented, I believe) ability to see a defensive formation and change the play. Both have the same effect, but Manning transcends measurable human intellect while Brady merely chooses a different play.

DarrylS

Have felt all along that when the Pats provided the tapes it showed wide spread violation of rules by most of the other teams, to protect the "integrity of the league" he destroyed the tapes in hopes it would go away. His initial rush to judgement kicked him in the ass.. he should have at that point made it all public and explained this is the way it used to be, but now we have a new sheriff.. Goodell made a bunch of strategic errors in this case, and how he is sharing the pain along with BB.

BB is taking the bullet and the high road, with his connections he could testify for days on cheating and dirty tricks played in his tenure during the NFL. What needs to happen is other coaches need to come forth and back up BB and Jimmy Johnson. Goodell should be thankful his rush to judgement was against a man like BB instead of some other coach who would drag others down. OTOH I wish BB would say something, but then again that would not make him BB.

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dhamz

Jimmy not only made the trade, he then picked good players with the picks they got. He wasn't a beneficiary. He was the architect.