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Old 05-01-2011, 07:38 PM   #81
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The problem Brady and the pats had in the playoff game was that Ryan recognized,pretty quickly,that TFB was totally immobile and was getting "tunnel vision".Brady had "time".....he just didn't "see".Under imagined pressure,he never looked at what Tate was doing or swing passes or short scrambles.[/B].
With all due respect, Brady was "totally immobile" because none of his receivers were open. That was the game plan Ryan came up with.

The game was lost before it was ever played. Ryan showed his cards by stocking the active roster with all the DB's he had. That should have been a tip off that he was going to elect to flood the backfield.
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Old 05-01-2011, 07:44 PM   #82
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You seem very reasonable, but can you elaborate?
No. You know what, looking back, I was comparing McCourty's year to Revis 2008, not 2007. McCourty did have a better rookie year than Revis.
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With all due respect, Brady was "totally immobile" because none of his receivers were open. That was the game plan Ryan came up with.

The game was lost before it was ever played. Ryan showed his cards by stocking the active roster with all the DB's he had. That should have been a tip off that he was going to elect to flood the backfield.
I know what you're saying psycho,but this wasn't the "Battle of Kursk".....you're theory of flooding the roster with db's is knee-jerk and simplistic.
The reality is that TFB could not or would not run,threw the ball,too soon and inaccurately and was all around totally flustered.Sometimes,Brady and the pats' problem is that they because so regimented that they won't risk anything.No long attempts to get the Jets out of their center zone...No swing passes or scrambles to force them to bring their "small ball" defense to come up....and most importantly.....patience,patience and more patience.

The dropped balls by Crumpler and Chung,the fumble by Woodhead,seemed to take the air out of the patriots.......it wasn't the jets db's,it was Brady's injury and intransgience to adjust,that spelled doom for a team that was rolling early in the game.

The patriots were not outcoached or outschemed.
They were outplayed by an inferior team...."mores the pity"....as the poet said.
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I know what you're saying psycho,but this wasn't the "Battle of Kursk".....you're theory of flooding the roster with db's is knee-jerk and simplistic.
The reality is that TFB could not or would not run,threw the ball,too soon and inaccurately and was all around totally flustered.Sometimes,Brady and the pats' problem is that they because so regimented that they won't risk anything.No long attempts to get the Jets out of their center zone...No swing passes or scrambles to force them to bring their "small ball" defense to come up....and most importantly.....patience,patience and more patience.

The dropped balls by Crumpler and Chung,the fumble by Woodhead,seemed to take the air out of the patriots.......it wasn't the jets db's,it was Brady's injury and intransgience to adjust,that spelled doom for a team that was rolling early in the game.

The patriots were not outcoached or outschemed.
They were outplayed by an inferior team...."mores the pity"....as the poet said.
Theory? Everyone knew as soon as they saw the inactives for the game. There was not one single DB on the Jets inactive list.

And yes the Patriots were outcoached and outschemed, pure, plain, and simple. I have the game on my laptop, and I've watched it from time to time.

Their problem was most definitely not because of being "regimented." You don't get to be the league-leading offense by being "regimented." Unfortunately, the game-calling was one-dimensional for the most part, and only went back to mixing it up (which brings out the best in the offense) when it was too late.
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Theory? Everyone knew as soon as they saw the inactives for the game. There was not one single DB on the Jets inactive list.

And yes the Patriots were outcoached and outschemed, pure, plain, and simple. I have the game on my laptop, and I've watched it from time to time.

Their problem was most definitely not because of being "regimented." You don't get to be the league-leading offense by being "regimented." Unfortunately, the game-calling was one-dimensional for the most part, and only went back to mixing it up (which brings out the best in the offense) when it was too late.
"Regimented" does not mean you're unsuccessful,it means that you are likely to be thrown off by "adversity".
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Hey why not just eliminate the position entirely??

The great myth on this board is the genius of Bill Belichick.

Richard Seymour for Nate Solder. OUCH!
BTW didn't Belichick have the option of taking the Raiders 1st from last year but deferred to the much weaker draft class (so say the Chickians NOW) this year?? OUCH Again!
Well I'm not a Chickian or whatever...But I thought the general consensus was that they deferred from taking the Raiders 1st from last year because they were betting that a rookie wage scale would be in place this year where it obviously wasn't going to be at the time of the trade. Obviously that bet hasn't paid off, but it was a decent gamble.

I'm not sure why you write off Solder so easily though when he hasn't even played a snap. By that logic anyone they would've drafted would've looked bad at this point for what Seymour gave them in his career. I'm not one to defend every move Belichick makes but it's kind of silly to write off any draft pick two days after the draft, isn't it?
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"Regimented" does not mean you're unsuccessful,it means that you are likely to be thrown off by "adversity".
I understand what you mean by regimented- e.g., being so systematized or regulated that you cannot adapt to adversity, and in the case of BOB, that probably was true, because his playcalling regressed atrociously. But in the context you are talking about it, e.g., Brady, it simply is not true.
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Regardless of position, the Pats need an elite pass rusher if they want to win a title.

10 Packers: Clay Matthews (OLB)
09 Saints: Will Smith
08 Steelers: Harrison and Woodley (OLB)
07 Giants: Strahan, Umenyiora, and Tuck
06 Colts: Freeney and Mathis

Patriots: Tully Banta-Cain???
Although I don't disagree with the premise here, it's too simplistic. Will Smith is not an elite pass rusher. In addition to that, the Packers, Saints, Steelers, and Colts all had very strong, playmaking secondaries. I could just as easily make a list with guys like Sharper, Polamalu, and Sanders. In fact, a healthy Bob Sanders was the difference maker for the Colts in the postseason, not Freeney and Mathis.

The more strong players on defense, the harder for a QB to gameplan them. Brady completely shredded the Dolphins and Steelers last season, even though Harrison and Wake are studs. I think any time you can upgrade the defense at any position, it's a plus.
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