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Old 05-01-2011, 03:02 PM   #71
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The point was "every top defense has an elite pass rusher" who's the elite pass rusher for the Jets? They don't have one, they rely on the overall talent and scheme to get pressure, not one player earmarked as the "pass rusher".

The Jets are the example to follow on that side of the ball, you don't need the likes of Matthews on your team if you couple a very good scheme with talented players.

So, in my opinion, this season (hopefully we get one) the Patriots should go with more man coverage (the CB's are good enough to do it) and the front 7 show more stunts & moves when they blitz, double A gap blitzing with Mayo & Spikes could be VERY successful with Vince on the nose as an simple example of a way to get pressure without the elite pass rushing OLB.
I'm a Jets fan . . . and we were not very good at generating pressure last year. Scheme can only do so much, at some point, your guys need to win one on one battles. Teams either max-protected against us or checked down to intermediate routes, and the result was that our overload blitzes had less and less impact as the season wore on. That's way the game plan in the playoffs changed as much as it did - we backed off, rushed 3 or 4 except in some situations, and neither the colts nor the pats adjusted quickly enough (max protecting against a 4 man rush means 3 in a pattern against 7 . . . that won't work, especially when Revis makes it 2 on 6). By the team they adjusted, we were mixing the blitzes back in, and they were finally getting home (because instead of being called against max protect and short routes, they were being called against plays designed to take advantage of fewer rushers). I'm hoping Rex internalized the lesson about picking his spots with the blitz; if you know it's coming every down, it can be beaten and beaten badly. If you don't know when it'll happen but know it'll get home when it does . . . it's terrifying.

That's one of the reasons the Wilkerson pick makes so much sense for us - by all accounts, he can push the pocket from the DL, meaning fewer blockers will be available to pick up blitzers.
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Old 05-01-2011, 03:18 PM   #72
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In a 3-4 defense, 2 of the 9 positions are OLB. In the Patriots system you need an OLB to set the edge first, so you can't have a one dimensional "pass rushing" OLB.

To say that the Patriots can't draft a complete OLB is something I don't believe. You just have to keep trying with mid round DE conversion project. Or take a chance on a Clay Matthews type, who I was screaming for 2 drafts ago.

Tedy said today that he was disappointed that the Patriots did not draft an OLB higher. However, he said that BB prefers veterans at that position. If that is the case then we should expect a major move once Free Agency starts.
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It wasn't just 1 game...how many passes were thrown at Revis 2010?

In 09 as you said that he was tested but he also had like 8 interceptions and rarely anything good comes when you throw his way. You might get a short completion.

It's bull**** to argue the impact Revis has on the entire Jets D. Revis is the most complete defensive player in the NFL and the best defensive player in the NFL in my opinion.

Last i checked we don't have Revis at cornerback and our pass rush ain't any better than the Jets have.
Randomk,

We went 14-2.

What did the Jets endup with 10-6, or 9-7, with the same or slightly easier schedule as a second place team. We were undone by having only two healthy Defensive linemen and our best run ILB on suspension in the Playoff game.

Time for the proverbial, "Wait 'til next year".
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No, we have a good scheme and great CBs (including the best in the game today - McCourty is damn good but you can't man him up on the opponent's best receiver and play 10 on 10 against the rest, the way the Jets like to do with Revis), but decent safeties at best, and the lack of pressure at times last year let teams eat us alive in the passing game by targeting our safeties, lbs, and third and 4th corners (who played ok, but couldn't cover for the 4-5 seconds QBs were routinely getting against us)
Welcome doggin94it......you are spot on.The jets "scheme",plays off of Revis.....and to a lesser degree Cromartie,not the other way around.The "weakness" of this defense is TIME.Let me explain.

As the game goes on and the jets strategy of "chaos" pressure isn't working,teams start to attack the interior of the jets secondary..FS,NB's and Cro with "drag" routes and slants(quick screens are very dangerous against this defense...not recommended).Revis is just too good,however,he can be worked on with simple 5 or 6 yd hitches,making him unable to freelance toward the center of the defense.

The deal with Cromartie is to make him play safety.He's too fast to attempt those 10-15 "outs" against.....the trick is to make him play outside coverage and beat him on a shallow "cross"...not a slant,but a cross.This makes him think about whether to try to "undercut" or to tackle.His ego-button will usually say undercut,which puts him too much into the center of the defense....essentially at safety.Revis,on the other hand.will "undercut",and make you pay dearly.

The problem Brady and the pats had in the playoff game was that Ryan recognized,pretty quickly,that TFB was totally immobile and was getting "tunnel vision".Brady had "time".....he just didn't "see".Under imagined pressure,he never looked at what Tate was doing or swing passes or short scrambles...nothing,but Welker and checkdowns after checkdowns......Bizarre,but only an aberration,trust me.(don't get too ****y,jets fans).

What mystifies me about your jets,is their first half performances in big games.This,I blame on Ryan for his "Admiral Stockdale" moments....."who am I?"....where am I"?.
I don't blame Sanchez,who I believe is an average QB,at best...but Rex,who is a great situational coach,but most times seems like the Ringmaster of the "Insane Clown Posse".

In the 4th quarter,it seems poor Sanchize is like the teenager who realizes his parents are dysfuntional,so it's up to me to motivate my siblings.These types of bipolar performances is reflected by the head coach and it doesn't portend well for the future.
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The Giants pass rush had zero to do with them winning the Super Bowl? I've never heard anyone try to make that point before.
Ahhh like watch the game.......

The Patriots scored to go up 14-10. Then Tyree.

Absent the miracle nobody remembers.

It's amazing how dense some can be on an obvious point. Pressure is important and required but an elite secondary is the prime condition required for a defense.

"You can never have too many good CB's" is more vital than the "pass rusher".
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It wasn't just 1 game...how many passes were thrown at Revis 2010?

In 09 as you said that he was tested but he also had like 8 interceptions and rarely anything good comes when you throw his way. You might get a short completion.

It's bull**** to argue the impact Revis has on the entire Jets D. Revis is the most complete defensive player in the NFL and the best defensive player in the NFL in my opinion.

Last i checked we don't have Revis at cornerback and our pass rush ain't any better than the Jets have.
This is a great example of stupidity thrust in the debate.

Ahhh ever watch football in 2007? Did it ever like dawn in your world that revis was actually drafted as a rookie.

McCourty 2010 was better than Revis 2007. That's kinda why you draft these guys because like rookies get better.

That projection thing can really be useful sometimes.
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Ahhh like watch the game.......

The Patriots scored to go up 14-10. Then Tyree.

Absent the miracle nobody remembers.

It's amazing how dense some can be on an obvious point. Pressure is important and required but an elite secondary is the prime condition required for a defense.

"You can never have too many good CB's" is more vital than the "pass rusher".
The Tyree catch would never had happened if we had been able to bring down manning who made a mockery of our pass rush.
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This is a great example of stupidity thrust in the debate.

Ahhh ever watch football in 2007? Did it ever like dawn in your world that revis was actually drafted as a rookie.

McCourty 2010 was better than Revis 2007. That's kinda why you draft these guys because like rookies get better.


That projection thing can really be useful sometimes.
That's homertastic
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The Tyree catch would never had happened if we had been able to bring down manning who made a mockery of our pass rush.
And it wouldn't have mattered if the Giants D (and passrush) hadn't held your previously unstoppable O to a mere 14 points
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That's homertastic
You seem very reasonable, but can you elaborate?
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