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Old 01-14-2011, 12:44 PM   #31
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ken, as always, I enjoy your idle thoughts.

I agree 100% with your first statement - a loss in the game is probably more awkward, in some ways, for the fanbase to take. Now, I didn't say difficult b/c these players livelihoods are based on their success, and we cannot understand the agony of defeat that they know. But we do not have the professionalism the players do, so it makes for an entirely different experience. If the Patriots were to lose, I agree that the players would be able to turn the page and focus on next year. We'd have to endure the juvenile, asinine Jets fanbase for months to come. We exist within the sports media and the sports fanbase. The players can actually separate themselves from that mess.

I will say that the Jets players and coaches are doing their best to take professionalism out of it and inject the troll-like silliness we see as fans and messageboard users into the pro football arena. Cromartie so clearly crossed a line, and if he is not severely fined by Goodell, then we will know there is a true bias from the Commish.

I find several of your thoughts on next year interesting, but I am not ready to look ahead. I am nervous enough about this game, and this team has a lot of work left to do.

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Old 01-14-2011, 12:44 PM   #32
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Wow, well I won't try to break down this entire novel, but a couple of things stood out.
Well there are some drill you can do to increase attention spans.

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SO TRUE. In fact the quote from LadyT itself was ridiculous: "You don't do another man's sack dance." Well, Lady, if a man has to HAVE a sack dance then I reserve the right to do it should I beat him!
Its kind of sad the LT's lasting legacy will be him sitting, by himself, pouting on the bench while his teams was attempting to pull out a heroic win. He did NOTHING to urge his team on and no one on his team came to console him. It was a test of character....and he failed. Conversely Philip Rivers earned nearly universal respect from Pats fans, for his effort that day.

[/QUOTE]OK, a legitimate concern but one that I'm sure Belichick has been preparing his team for. Brady is unlikely to be fooled too often and I'm guessing that it's been a point of emphasis for the kids as well. Keep in mind that the Jets probably can't go too crazy because the more complex they make their schemes, the more likely that THEY will blow an assignment as well.[/QUOTE]

No doubt they will be prepared. If I were BB, rather than making the rookies prepare for every possibility, I actually dumb down their responsibilities, making sure I was getting their best athletic performance and limit the possibility of mental mistakes As long as Brady knows where they will be going, it won't be ideal, but better than misread by the kids.
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The one thing that sucks is we can win this game 52-0 and these clowns will still run their mouths constantly next year like it never happened. Meanwhile you know our guys aren't going to boast, it's just another win and onto our next opponent. If we lose, we're going to hear about it from everyone from every angle.
If that's the price to pay for being a legitimate contender every year, I'll gladly pay it. Just think about the alternative.
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Well, it comes with the territory. When I was a kid (70's) I couldn't STAND the Dallas Cowboys. As a Pats fan I resented the whole "America's Team" thing and I despised everything about their organization...and yet they won, and won, and won. So I would pick holes in everything they did; I gloated when they failed and brushed it aside when they succeded.

So now I've come to grips with the Patriots as the "villain" and have learned to embrace my inner Evil Empire. I think that this all came about in the aftermath of CameraGate. I got sick and tired of having to defend, defend, defend so now I let the jealous people seethe and very rarely hit back. I just enjoy the wins - more than ever before. That's why I'm so invested in this particular squad because it's time for the Empire to Strike Back!
You know all this revival of the "spygate" issue, like that spurious Washington Post article, really piss me off. Its now getting to the area of Slander. I want the NY Jet office boy who is posing as commissioner to come out and FINALLY do the right thing and explain what he did, what BB position was, and confirm what he has publicly said already, that the Pats DID NOT gain a competitive advantage....and say it enough times so even the mudslingers get it.
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Great read as always...especially agree on the fan perspective.

quoting above, do you think this means Rex is going to have to make 2 game plans (or serious adjustments for the second half) as the patriots will adapt to what the Jets are doing.

I know the rookie tight ends might struggle a lttle, but they do present a serious matchup challenge for the Jets...so that might balance this out a bit. Not too worried about the young players trying to do too much as BB will be coaching them. I would think this might be a good game to get the balls in our offense's hands as soon as possible to try and put the pressure on Sanchez to score points.
Not exactly - you have to respect RR's ability to scheme a defense. His ability in that areas aren't in doubt, and if you dismiss him for his other flaws, you do it at your own risk. Believe me BB doesn't underestimate Rex one bit.

Expect to see a lot of Jet defenders at or very near the LOS at the start of plays. As many as 9 would not surprise me. He wants to force the Pats to commit to an action as quickly as possible. Now once the ball is snapped I fully expect to see a lot of man under 2 deep, with very little blitzing. Just enough to justify the threat.

I'm sure BB is expecting the same thing. I'm not sure how he will handle it. He can go spread empty with 5 immediate threats like he's done vs Pittsburgh, or he can go with 2-3 TEs and play action pass against it, with 4 legitimate match up threats.
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I think he means that the free agent class will be so deep because of the past year's RFA clause that kept people like Mankins from being a free agent that normally would have. Many other teams had players that normally would have been free agents that weren't, thus making this past year's free agent crop relatively thin and the prospects for next year (after this season), deeper.

Patfranken, I'll let you expand on the players, positions, etc, and also please correct the above if not accurate!

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This is exactly what I meant....and there are several guys on this board MUCH better than I to break down the possibilities, and I'm sure they will as soon as the playoffs are over.....and Miguel will tell us EXACTLY where we stand in the cap. Both the hypothetical one and the real one once the CBA is done.
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Crash,

Wilfork and 2 JAGs is better, IMO.
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So the Jets might only lose two frontline players, while their QB matures? Not a terrible tradeoff.

The Jets have had pretty good injury luck this year, Jenkins and Leonard (and the Holmes suspension) notwithstanding. But that's not huge in forecasting their future success either.

Any thoughts on how Woody's backup is likely to do? The Pats have been very fortunate with backup OL, with their freshness sometimes fully compensating for the stepdown in talent. Russ Hochstein in the Super Bowl is the most famous example, thanks to Warren Sapp's big mouth, but not the only one.

Ty Warren and Mike Wright vs. Wilfork? Close call. Warren is a very good player too.
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Expect to see a lot of Jet defenders at or very near the LOS at the start of plays. As many as 9 would not surprise me. He wants to force the Pats to commit to an action as quickly as possible. Now once the ball is snapped I fully expect to see a lot of man under 2 deep, with very little blitzing. Just enough to justify the threat.

I'm sure BB is expecting the same thing. I'm not sure how he will handle it. He can go spread empty with 5 immediate threats like he's done vs Pittsburgh, or he can go with 2-3 TEs and play action pass against it, with 4 legitimate match up threats.

I don't think the TEs restrict the chance to go 5 wide. Of the guys who haven't been catching passes this year, I question BJGE's ability to more than I question Crumpler's. And if the 2 TEs are the rookies, I have no doubts at all.
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So the Jets might only lose two frontline players, while their QB matures? Not a terrible tradeoff.

The Jets have had pretty good injury luck this year, Jenkins and Leonard (and the Holmes suspension) notwithstanding. But that's not huge in forecasting their future success either.

Any thoughts on how Woody's backup is likely to do? The Pats have been very fortunate with backup OL, with their freshness sometimes fully compensating for the stepdown in talent. Russ Hochstein in the Super Bowl is the most famous example, thanks to Warren Sapp's big mouth, but not the only one.

Ty Warren and Mike Wright vs. Wilfork? Close call. Warren is a very good player too.
Woody's backup is Wayne Hunter and he's been capable for the Green Beans.47 games. 5 starts. Former 3rd rounder.
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