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Old 12-04-2007, 08:48 AM   #11
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Players can complain, as far as I know, only coahces and other team personnel can be fined for comments about the officiating. Now, throwing the flag into the stands is going to bring down a fine, and I wouldn't be surprised if the team fines a few players for going off on their coach.
Then why did Brady say that he didn't want to get into trouble with the League when he was asked a question about the officiating?
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:53 AM   #12
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What about the holding call on Koppen that killed the Patriots' drive? The ref threw the flag late after a Raven asked for it. Amazing.

The real problem with replay and the Gaffney catch is that the language isn't precise enough to define what control means. What they need is another Tuck Rule, language that's so precise that it takes away from the ref trying to make a judgement call.

The ball was moving, and it wasn't totally secure, but Gaffney had both sets of fingers on it as he was moving it toward his body. I call that control. He was controlling the ball. But the ball was still moving.
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no bias there. only bias i saw was no-call on offensive pass interference on ravens hail mary. that pass thrown 1 yard further and it would have cost us the game.
It is actually amusing if you watch the replay from the overhead view. Clayton was the designated "catcher" and the other receiver (not sure which) was the "bouncer". First he took out Gay by knocking him to the ground. They he went after Asante and hauled him down by his pads. Those were the two "front" defenders which is why Clayton was able to get a clean catch.
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It's why Billick will most likely lose his job, or they'll move a lot of the players.
Their situation is a lot like the Bengals. The coach doesn't control the team in either case.
I agree there. That has got to be the most undisciplined team I have ever seen, from their stupid college barking before the game to the way they behave on the field.

We stole one from them, though, didn't we?

They learned what so many other teams have elarned over the years:

DO NOT GIVE BRADY THE BALL WITH UNDER 3:00 IF YOU'RE LEADING. BECAUSE, IF YOU DO, INSIDE OF 3:00, YOU WON'T BE LEADING ANYMORE.
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no bias there. only bias i saw was no-call on offensive pass interference on ravens hail mary. that pass thrown 1 yard further and it would have cost us the game.
Let's not get into non-calls. I'm re-watching the games again......... You can make a solid case for Defensive Holding and/or PI on just about EVERY offensive passing play for NE. Welker pretty much had to run around all game carrying a DB or LB on his back.
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no bias there. only bias i saw was no-call on offensive pass interference on ravens hail mary. that pass thrown 1 yard further and it would have cost us the game.
Glad someone else saw it too. That could easily have been a penalty and probably should have been But they rarely call it. Pat's were outplayed last night but they "Manned Up" when it counted the most.
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I posted this in the game thread (a few times, actually): the Ravens--mostly on defense--were causing penalties on almost every snap. Holding, PI, you name it and they did it. They were so jacked up and overzealous that you could see clear penalties being committed (two that stick out are holding on Wilfork to spring McGahee for a big run and a block in the back on the kickoff return that turned into a big play). Were they going to call them every single play? No. But I think at the end of the game the officials simply had to call those.

No ******ing necessary, they played their hearts out and, unfortunately for them, maybe they played a little TOO jacked up.
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no bias there. only bias i saw was no-call on offensive pass interference on ravens hail mary. that pass thrown 1 yard further and it would have cost us the game.
I saw Asante get mugged on the hail mary as well. Probably a good decision not to throw a flag when time had run out with no TD.

The Ravens imploded, and if you can't take pressure during the full 60 minutes whether it's because of the other team's play or a questionable call, you won't win the tight, pressure games. In other words, you'll never be a champion.

So, they can have their pre-game dances and their team rituals. I'll take a team that plays with cool under pressure even if it's not playing its best over a team that feels they have the right to win without earning it. It's not about talking the talk, it's all about walking the walk.
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PENALTY on BLT-J.Winborne, Defensive Holding, 5 yards

Both Watson and Gaffney were held on this play in plain sight of the officials. No way anyone should be complaining on this one.
Not only that but #26 could've been called for pass interference against Watson on that same play!
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"Pats fans are the most pompous, ignorant, classless group of people in the world. Never have I seen a demograghic of people with less integrity and less knowledge of the game. Gaffney quite clearly bobbled that last catch without any shadow of a doubt. And if that is holding, I hope those refs buy their loved ones extra special gifts with the "Bilichick Bonus" they all seem to get every week. No Fun League? No Fair League. Go Cowboys"

I love some of the crazy anti-Patriot quotes I'm finding in the comments section of that ESPN article. The best part is that the guy is a COWBOYS fan.

As for the issue at hand, the calls, I can't site specific examples of plays but I know that on more than one occasion in just about every game, I've had a reason to think the officials were rooting AGAINST the Patriots. The last two games, I was practically convinced the officials all put their life savings on the Eagles and Ravens with those huge lines.
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