Moss is more valuable than Brady - Page 5 - New England Patriots Forums

Pats_AZ · 11-21-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Xzibit23

Those of you who are saying "Brady won 3 SBs" or "Brady has won without Moss, what has Moss won"..are missing the point. Brady was great before Moss, there's no debate around that nor is Whitlock trying to argue the opposite. In fact he makes a point to continually mention that Brady is indeed one of the alltime greats.

Thing is while Brady has accomplish A LOT without Moss, he has NOT put up MVP numbers. So while he experience a lot of success with the Caldwells of the world, he never experienced the individual success he's going through now. Moss on the other hand has had MVP type impact and performances in previous seasons. Actually, if not for the Vikings slowing down the last 5 weeks of the 2001 season, he was the leading candidate. He was also in contention in '98 and '03, where he again fell victim to the team fading down the stretch.

You see, Brady has showed his true value to the team time and time again, by the SBs and signature moments. But he has not shown MVP value in regards to the award and what it means. MVP value is also dependant on team success but that's secondary, while statistical performance from an individual standpoint is what gives the winners that award, and Brady has done this year that he hasn't in the past.

Well by your argument, than wouldn't every QB that has won an MVP have great WR? look at Manning.

Wildo7 · 11-21-2007, 04:02 PM

How about Brady-Moss co-MVP like Manning and McNair. I'd be ok with that

National Sports Advisors · 11-21-2007, 04:15 PM

If a chef consistently makes great foods out of ordinary ingredients and then gets top shelf ingredients and starts making world class meals, do we give credit to the chef or to the ingredients? I mean, seriously. Moss is only an ingredient. Brady is the chef. Brady can win with mediocre ingredients. He's proven it. Moss hasn't won anything without the best chef in the business. It's all about the chef!!!!!!

godef · 11-21-2007, 04:23 PM

Moss is to Brady what Brady is to Belichick.

Drewwho · 11-21-2007, 04:23 PM

Most agree that Brady should have won the MVP last year! I love Moss but he just makes an already HOF, great player better. While this year, a "washed up", "slow" Moss has been resurrected due to Tom Brady. When has Tom Brady (same age as Moss) ever been called washed up??? NEVER, he has always been AWESOME, hence why Moss wanted to be a Patriot!

Remember, Tom Brady touches the ball every snap, he calls the plays, makes the adjustments from what 'he' is reading. Moss is great, no doubt, but the QB has all the pressure. The OL should be MVP before Moss, but no one before Brady - not the QB, not a QB this great, hardworking and vital to his teams success. Not this year. Brady's numbers are movie like, unreal!

Make no mistake about it, with Moss we are an A+ Offense, but without Moss we are a A offense - neck and neck with Dallas. The drop off is not that significant. We still win and win big!!! Without Brady, we have Cassel throwing the ball around and sorry, but that drop off goes from A+ to what, C or best B-???

I know Whitlock likes Brady, but lately I have noticed him spouting lots of negatives on Brady (how that is possible, I don't know!). It used to be controversial for him to pick Brady over Manning, but now he seems to be taking another side as he does not want to take the popular opinion. I swear most of these guys just like to be different to get attention drawn to themselves. I see that happening right now with Whitlock. We will see it next with Esiason who has always said Brady was better than Brady? We'll see!

National Sports Advisors · 11-21-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Drewwho

Most agree that Brady should have won the MVP last year! I love Moss but he just makes an already HOF, great player better. While this year, a "washed up", "slow" Moss has been resurrected due to Tom Brady. When has Tom Brady (same age as Moss) ever been called washed up??? NEVER, he has always been AWESOME, hence why Moss wanted to be a Patriot!

Remember, Tom Brady touches the ball every snap, he calls the plays, makes the adjustments from what 'he' is reading. Moss is great, no doubt, but the QB has all the pressure. The OL should be MVP before Moss, but no one before Brady - not the QB, not a QB this great, hardworking and vital to his teams success. Not this year. Brady's numbers are movie like, unreal!

Make no mistake about it, with Moss we are an A+ Offense, but without Moss we are a A offense - neck and neck with Dallas. The drop off is not that significant. We still win and win big!!! Without Brady, we have Cassel throwing the ball around and sorry, but that drop off goes from A+ to what, C or best B-???

I know Whitlock likes Brady, but lately I have noticed him spouting lots of negatives on Brady (how that is possible, I don't know!). It used to be controversial for him to pick Brady over Manning, but now he seems to be taking another side as he does not want to take the popular opinion. I swear most of these guys just like to be different to get attention drawn to themselves. I see that happening right now with Whitlock. We will see it next with Esiason who has always said Brady was better than Brady? We'll see!

Whitlock wrote some garbage a couple weeks ago about the NFL turning into a white league and that the Pats and Colts winning with the most white players of any teams in the league should serve as a wake up call to the black players who can't keep themselves out of trouble. I think he wants Moss to get the MVP because he thinks black players have been getting into a lot of trouble and they need something good for a change. This guy is big on the race card crap.

MossFan4Life · 11-21-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Disco Volante

Uh, Moss w/out Brady last year = Joke season.

Brady w/out Moss last year = Great, as usual.

We could still win without Moss.

Good luck winning without Brady.

Anybody with that Raiders team would be a joke season. Moss took an 8-8 Vikings team and turned them into the highest scoring team ever. He then took the Patriots and turned them into the highest scoring team ever. Moss is most impactful non-qb in the history of football. Brady is awesome though, and I have no jealousy of him whatsoever. He is a very humble person and plays the way I've always wanted Moss' qbs to play.

National Sports Advisors · 11-21-2007, 05:12 PM

Moss may be winning Brady a MVP but Brady will be the reason Moss will be winning a super bowl ring. Fair trade off in my opinion.

DefenseRules · 11-21-2007, 05:26 PM

I knew this would happen. Here we go with yet another reducing Brady's value to the team debate. If not for Tom Brady, this team wouldn't have even smelled the playoffs last year or won the division. Did you all see who he was throwing the ball to last year? But somehow he was able to get enough production out of that group so that we could compete in the AFC Championship Game. Go ask Moss who he's been catching the football from the last few years.

Some of you are ungreatful. Tom Brady does not need Moss to be Great. Just ask the WRs that left here. Why do you think Moss, Stallworth and Washington all came here? To catch Passes from TOM BRADY. They all said so. Tom Brady brought out the best in Branch, Givens, Patten, Gabriel, and our old friend Reche Caldwell. What have those guys been doing without Tom Brady? I for one, would hate to find out what this team would be like without Tom Brady. We would not be UNDEFEATED at this point of the season, IMHO.

TOM BRADY IS THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER ON THIS TEAM PERIOD.

SteelerSteve · 11-21-2007, 05:26 PM

Brady seems to be more important to the team than moss. I say losing Brady would be a HUGE loss, and while losing moss would hurt, a reciever doesn't have as much impact as a good quarterback, the guy who touches the ball every snap.