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Old 08-16-2007, 02:45 PM   #1
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I wanted to go back in history and see how each FA acquisition worked out for the Pats. The rating scale is based on $$$ for ROI. Comments welcome

0- Bad signing (never made team or bad ROI)
1- Made a decent contribution (slightly less ROI than what was expected)
2- Was a solid contributor (ROI right on)
3- Superior Signing (Above and beyond ROI)

Rookie FAs are not included and trades and signs (Dillon) are not counted.

2000
Joe Andruzzi -3
Aaron Bailey -0
Eric Bjornson -1
Bobby Hamilton -3
Jon Harris -0
Antonio Langham -0
Lance Scott -0
Otis Smith -2
Grant Williams -2

The Skinny: Andruzzi and Hamilton were great pickups. O-T-I-S was also solid

2001
Je'Rod Cherry -2
Mike Compton -2
Marc Edwards -2
Damon Huard -2
Larry Izzo -3
Marty Moore -0
David Patten -3
Roman Phifer -3
Anthony Pleasant -2
Antowain Smith -3
Chris Sullivan -0
Mike Vrabel -3
Ken Walter -2

The Skinny: XXVI was won with these guys. Arguably the greatest FA class in NFL history

2002
Cameron Cleeland -1
Scott Dragos -0
Christian Fauria -2
Chris Hayes -0
Donald Hayes -0
Rob Kelly -0
Tom Knight -0
Rick Lyle -2
Steve Martin -0
Ryan Phillips -0
Daryl Porter -0
Ratcliff Thomas -0
Rich Tylski -0

The Skinny: As good as 2001's was, this was terrible.

2003
Chris Akins -0
Larry Centers -1
Michael Cloud -2
Rosevelt Colvin -2
Don Davis -2
Brandon Gorin -1
Rodney Harrison -3
Russ Hochstein -2
Sean McDermott -0
Tyrone Poole -1
Dedric Ward -2

The Skinny: Not bad at all. Harrison made up for short-term miss on Rosey and long term miss on Poole.

2004
Josh Miller -2
Keith Traylor -2

The Skinny: Nice pickups.

2005
Monty Beisel -0
Chad Brown -0
Tim Dwight -2
Antuan Edwards -0
Doug Flutie -2
Artrell Hawkins -2
Victor Leyva -0
Wesly Mallard -0
Chad Morton -0
Chad Scott -2
David Terrell -0

The Skinny- Needed to do more here. Went on the cheap.

2006
Reche Caldwell -2
Jabar Gaffney -2
Martin Gramatica -0
Tebucky Jones -0
Mel Mitchell -0
Todd Sauerbrun -2 -Did well in the postseason
Chad Scott -2
Junior Seau -2

The Skinny- Nice group of pickups. I have a feeling Gaffney will be a diamond in the rough. Went on the cheap again.


Overall, 2002 and 2005 were terrible. 2000, 2004 and 2006 were decent.
2001 was one for the ages.
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:49 PM   #2
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You should think about incorporating negative numbers for Steve Martin.

Good work, though. I would rate Poole a 2, just because he played way above his talent level when he was here, and that 2003 secondary was something else.
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Ty Poole and Rosey Colvin deserve 3's in my opinion. As much as Poole was a tool, and faded fast at the end, he played a huge role in a Super Bowl year. I think, given what he was signed for, that was a very good signing.

Very few to quibble with otherwise, though. And a GREAT thread. Thanks.
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You should think about incorporating negative numbers for Steve Martin.

Good work, though. I would rate Poole a 2, just because he played way above his talent level when he was here, and that 2003 secondary was something else.
Totally on Martin. What a waste of space.

Poole was dominant in 03 no question. However, my reasoning for the 1 was that his origional deal was a four year $8.024 million deal that included a $1.8 million signing bonus. The rest of his time here was marred by injury. They cut him before the 06 season and saved $1.8m on the cap. You can look at it this way. For 3 seasons, the team paid him 6.22m. Thats about 2.07m a year. I guess you can say in 03 he was worth 5m and the other 2 was 600k....
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I would rate Gorin a 2, any guy you sign for minimum dollars and get that many starts out of at least met expectations.
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I would rate Gorin a 2, any guy you sign for minimum dollars and get that many starts out of at least met expectations.
I agree. Good catch!
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Gorin was on the Pats' practice squad at the beginning of the 2002 season.
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I want to commend you for your efforts on this one. I think that a 0-3 scale might be a little simplistic to get really accurate ratings, but your model does do a good job of providing a nice overview.

A few minor quibbles:

* If Rosey has another year like last year, I don't see how he is anything but a terrific signing. This one IMHO is incomplete.

* Centers gave NE exactly what they expected from him. Going by the laguage of your ranking system, he has to get a 2. I can see why you wouldn't put him there, but that is where I think your system (if you really wanted to get into greater depth) shows its faults.

* Miller was possibly the best punter in the league in 2005 and the beginning of 2006. 3 has to be the selection - again, going by the verbiage of your ranking. I can see why you wouldn't put a punter up there with guys like Harrison and Vrabel, but Miller was excellent.

I thought I had a couple others, but I can't find them right now.

Edit: It was Flutie and Cloud. Thank mg for the reminder.
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Let's analyze a few 2's and make a conclusion.

Flutie 2
Cloud 2
Colvin 2
Hochstein 2
Otis Smith 2

CONCLUSION - You must have gone to BC, or at least you ar a strong BC fan.

Flutie and Cloud were useless to the team. Colvin is an all-pro who was injured. Hochstein is capable (and has) started at two OL positions and has been critical to our OL success. O-T-I-S received pro-bowl votes and was part of our top duo of shutdown corners. My ratings, which include cost for these five are 1, 0, 3, 3, and 3

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I wanted to go back in history and see how each FA acquisition worked out for the Pats. The rating scale is based on $$$ for ROI. Comments welcome

0- Bad signing (never made team or bad ROI)
1- Made a decent contribution (slightly less ROI than what was expected)
2- Was a solid contributor (ROI right on)
3- Superior Signing (Above and beyond ROI)

Rookie FAs are not included and trades and signs (Dillon) are not counted.

2000
Joe Andruzzi -3
Aaron Bailey -0
Eric Bjornson -1
Bobby Hamilton -3
Jon Harris -0
Antonio Langham -0
Lance Scott -0
Otis Smith -2
Grant Williams -2

The Skinny: Andruzzi and Hamilton were great pickups. O-T-I-S was also solid

2001
Je'Rod Cherry -2
Mike Compton -2
Marc Edwards -2
Damon Huard -2
Larry Izzo -3
Marty Moore -0
David Patten -3
Roman Phifer -3
Anthony Pleasant -2
Antowain Smith -3
Chris Sullivan -0
Mike Vrabel -3
Ken Walter -2

The Skinny: XXVI was won with these guys. Arguably the greatest FA class in NFL history

2002
Cameron Cleeland -1
Scott Dragos -0
Christian Fauria -2
Chris Hayes -0
Donald Hayes -0
Rob Kelly -0
Tom Knight -0
Rick Lyle -2
Steve Martin -0
Ryan Phillips -0
Daryl Porter -0
Ratcliff Thomas -0
Rich Tylski -0

The Skinny: As good as 2001's was, this was terrible.

2003
Chris Akins -0
Larry Centers -1
Michael Cloud -2
Rosevelt Colvin -2
Don Davis -2
Brandon Gorin -1
Rodney Harrison -3
Russ Hochstein -2
Sean McDermott -0
Tyrone Poole -1
Dedric Ward -2

The Skinny: Not bad at all. Harrison made up for short-term miss on Rosey and long term miss on Poole.

2004
Josh Miller -2
Keith Traylor -2

The Skinny: Nice pickups.

2005
Monty Beisel -0
Chad Brown -0
Tim Dwight -2
Antuan Edwards -0
Doug Flutie -2
Artrell Hawkins -2
Victor Leyva -0
Wesly Mallard -0
Chad Morton -0
Chad Scott -2
David Terrell -0

The Skinny- Needed to do more here. Went on the cheap.

2006
Reche Caldwell -2
Jabar Gaffney -2
Martin Gramatica -0
Tebucky Jones -0
Mel Mitchell -0
Todd Sauerbrun -2 -Did well in the postseason
Chad Scott -2
Junior Seau -2

The Skinny- Nice group of pickups. I have a feeling Gaffney will be a diamond in the rough. Went on the cheap again.


Overall, 2002 and 2005 were terrible. 2000, 2004 and 2006 were decent.
2001 was one for the ages.
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Ty Poole and Rosey Colvin deserve 3's in my opinion. As much as Poole was a tool, and faded fast at the end, he played a huge role in a Super Bowl year. I think, given what he was signed for, that was a very good signing.

Very few to quibble with otherwise, though. And a GREAT thread. Thanks.
I dunna know. Colvin's deal is a six years- $25.85 million. He doesnt make a lot of tackles and he's averaged about 6 sacks a season here. but I'm just not sure that hes exceeded ROI. Hes been a solid contributor. I like him and if he has a real good year, then I'd agree with him being a 3.
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