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Digger44 · 02-22-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by patsox23

You know what, digger? I'm trying to keep this thread civil, and I'm being patient with your hostile attitude. I'm not asking for people not to take responsibility for their actions. I'm asking them to be understanding of a situation for which they don't have the total picture.

This nonsense about side-swipes at Ian is ridiculous, unfounded and irresponsible of you. I'm trying to have a fair conversation here, and you're mucking it up with untruths. I have a ton of respect for Ian. I have said it over and over, and I will continue to do so. I've asked people to take a second look at the situation - all the while saying, it's obviously Ian's call.

Please try to represent my posts fairly and with accuracy. Thanks.

Ther is nothing civil about you calling Ian out on his own website for being unfair. This is ridiculous.

RayClay · 02-22-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by patsox23

"My personal opinion against Ian?" You surely didn't read my post AT ALL closely. I very much give him the benefit of the doubt, which he richly deserves.

As for the other threads, my apologies. I wasn't aware of those. I may have let my feelings get away from me in coming in here and posting all that I did without looking at the board properly. There was certainly no ill intent there.

And, as I said above, I feel I was extremely respectful toward Ian in my post.

Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have NEM on the forum than some of the people who have been harassing him, but you'd have to be awful naive to think that Dan McJosh was anyone but NEM.

I've been on three different forums with the guy. Better to ask for clemency than to pursue ridiculous stories, the latter being a true NEM trait.

patsox23 · 02-22-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Digger44

Basically standing up on the guys website and telling he is dead wrong for what he did is respect? Since when? I read your post perfectly fine and see that you feel that Ian is wrong and wanted everyone to know it. Look at the title of the thread. "just to be fair" implies that what Ian did was unfair. You are dead wrong. Ian is one of the most fair guys around. All you did was show him disrespect.

You are clearly too riled up to look at this with any sense of proportion or fairness.

"Standing up on the guys {sic} website and telling he {sic} is dead wrong for what he did is respect?"

I didn't say that.

"Just to be fair" does not imply that what IAN DID WAS UNFAIR. It implies that, just to be fair, certain facts have not come out and it would be fair to at least voice them - if these facts make no difference to Ian, then fine. That is not criticism of Ian. That is making sure he knows certain aspects of it that he may not. If he does, and still wants to keep the ban permanent, fine. That is, as I've said more than once now, his prerogative.

I think you're smarter than this, digger. I hope you'll try and be more even tempered and fair-minded in understanding and representing what I ACTUALLY wrote.

patsox23 · 02-22-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Digger44

Ther is nothing civil about you calling Ian out on his own website for being unfair.

Do people honestly believe I have been "calling Ian out?" Are you just trying to stir up *****? This is a ridiculous charge that you continue to make.

cubedoggy · 02-22-2007, 12:17 AM

Really, now, this isn't, as I said, the first time; Ian has been, I believe, supremely patient and forgiving in these situations in the past. I don't think this was a decision made w/out great deliberation on his part, and, again, I don't believe you can say that the body of evidence he possessed didn't warrant it.

AirForcePatFan · 02-22-2007, 12:18 AM

This sounds like one person trying to play the role of someone else but is having a difficult time at it, which is why I'm sure you posted it... Hmmm...

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If I have something to say for myself I will say it as I have done on occasion, seeing as I am a CHicago Bears fan, but because of NEM over all these years that I have known him I am a secondary fan of the Patriots, too and have joined him on several occasions at the Vine Tavern with his Pats fan club.

And it his his computer that I use to get to this message board. I dont have a computer and I live next door to him and we are as close as can be, almost like family. I am like a brother in law to him.

I post here based on what he says to me and I feel that I owe him the opportunity of having a voice in Patriot fan affairs as every person in this forum should have because as far as I am concerned there is not one patriot fan as loyal, passionate and one that will give his right arm if he had to for the benefit of any other patriot fan and believe me i know that to be true and it hurts him terribly as to what was done to him here by a few people.

At first he did post a couple of times under my name and I asked him not to do it so he wont get into trouble. And for the record I know that the patriots and this forum are his life and he has dedicated what is left of it as he has all before it to the patriots and to patriot fans. And for the record he did not tell me to say that... i know it to be true and he is very velry hurt by what a few posters did to him here.

And i do not want to discuss that any more just thought it should have been told.
And he does not tell me what to say or post other than an occasional opinion he gives me about a pats player or something related to the patriots.

Digger44 · 02-22-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by patsox23

You are clearly too riled up to look at this with any sense of proportion or fairness.

"Standing up on the guys {sic} website and telling he {sic} is dead wrong for what he did is respect?"

I didn't say that.

"Just to be fair" does not imply that what IAN DID WAS UNFAIR. It implies that, just to be fair, certain facts have not come out and it would be fair to at least voice them - if these facts make no difference to Ian, then fine. That is not criticism of Ian. That is making sure he knows certain aspects of it that he may not. If he does, and still wants to keep the ban permanent, fine. That is, as I've said more than once now, his prerogative.

I think you're smarter than this, digger. I hope you'll try and be more even tempered and fair-minded in understanding and representing what I ACTUALLY wrote.

I havnt lost my temper whatsoever. I am not angry or riled. There is no need for your opinion in this thread. Did you send this directly to Ian first? That would be showing respect instead of saying he is unfair.

You certainly do imply Ian is unfair. "Just to be fair" shows that fairness has not been reached because your version of the story has not been heard. If you were not heard it would "just not be fair". That is exactly what you posted.

I am actually laughing that you think your words are respectful when they show no such thing. If you had any repspect at all for Ian you would have been just like the other guys who like NEM that have posted in this very thread. They feel bad, and wish NEM the best while supporting Ian's decision.

Instead, you step in and act as if your information needs to be given to things are fair. What else does "just to be fair" mean? You wrote it not me? This clearly implies you think what Ian did was unfair because he didn't have your info. Ian did what he thought was right. Our opinions do not matter one iota.

Digger44 · 02-22-2007, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by patsox23

Do people honestly believe I have been "calling Ian out?" Are you just trying to stir up *****? This is a ridiculous charge that you continue to make.

You started the thread with your own words. There is no charge. Try reading what you wrote.

Digger44 · 02-22-2007, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cubedoggy

Really, now, this isn't, as I said, the first time; Ian has been, I believe, supremely patient and forgiving in these situations in the past. I don't think this was a decision made w/out great deliberation on his part, and, again, I don't believe you can say that the body of evidence he possessed didn't warrant it.

That is exactly correct, but people want to stand up and say, "Just to be fair, my opinion must be heard" which implies, "Without my opinon the situations is not fair." This is crazy.

Ian took no joy in this. He is very fair. He doesn't deserve to be second-guessed. He doesn't need to be called out claiming he doesn't understand the whole story.

CheerforTom · 02-22-2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Digger44

That is exactly correct, but people want to stand up and say, "Just to be fair, my opinion must be heard" which implies, "Without my opinon the situations is not fair." This is crazy.

Ian took no joy in this. He is very fair. He doesn't deserve to be second-guessed. He doesn't need to be called out claiming he doesn't understand the whole story.

I don't think Patsox's intention was to ever slight Ian. The OP struck me as someone trying to get across all the facts to everyone on the boards, not just Ian. You make it sound like his post was "Ian was wrong make him change!", he was just trying to present all the facts. Whether or not he did a good job of that is another issue, but I'm not seeing this huge disrespect. When he says "to be fair", he's saying that the general opinion of the NEM situation hasn't been altogether complete. You're the one who brings in all the Ian stuff.

I liked the post Patsox, though I don't agree that NEM shouldn't have been banned, if that is what you were saying (sorry if it's not).