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***gomezcat*** · 02-02-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsWorldChamps

wasnt trying to have a fight; im just tired of people trying to use color as an excuse... im very successful because i got a great education and i work hard at my career; not because of my "color".. in 1800, people were either white or black; today, most people are a percentage of many races... in 2100, i doubt anyone will be "white" or "black", but rather, varying degrees.

anyways, this is a football board, and im still sick over our last game... sounds crazy, but it has actually affected my mood for almost 2 weeks... i havent watched any espn (which is killing me)... please bring on the draft!

It's cool. Apologies if I went over the top. I too am sick of what the Colts did to us. The mind boggles over how we blew an 18 point lead, as good as they are. I never thought I would say this, but GO BEARS!

***NEPatriot*** · 02-02-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gomezcat

I found it interesting that nobody has replied directly to your comments. I suspect that no one knows what it is like to be black. I don't know, as a white English (important, given that I live in London), middle class, straight male, what it is like to face discrimination. I have NEVER once gone for a job, thinking, "I didn't get that because I'm white". I have seen some jobs that are reserved for ethnic minorities, but I have yet to see more than one or two that are more highly paid than my current one.

Dungy and Smith got there on merit. I reckon that is pretty tough for the most ardent racist to deny. You don't get to be a HC without being competent, spectacularly hard working and COMPETITIVE. It ISN'T a love in between those two, same as it isn't between best friends Saban and Belichick.

I am African American. Believe me, discrimination is something that while it has decreased, is alive and well in the U.S. Having traveled alot aboard, I would say it is in most places. For those who think that it's only about merrit, show me a college or Pro coach who says that they didn't have a tougher time getting a chance due to the color of their skin.

PatsWorldChamps · 02-02-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlanta Patsfan

I am African American. Believe me, discrimination is something that while it has decreased, is alive and well in the U.S. Having traveled alot aboard, I would say it is in most places. For those who think that it's only about merrit, show me a college or Pro coach who says that they didn't have a tougher time getting a chance due to the color of their skin.

show me one who says they had a harder time solely because of the color of their skin

is there discrimination? of course. but let's not use that as an excuse. there is discrimination against almost any color, weight, beauty, wealth, etc that you can think of... it's not right, but it shouldnt be used as an excuse

***Tunescribe*** · 02-02-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlanta Patsfan

I am African American. Believe me, discrimination is something that while it has decreased, is alive and well in the U.S. Having traveled alot aboard, I would say it is in most places. For those who think that it's only about merrit, show me a college or Pro coach who says that they didn't have a tougher time getting a chance due to the color of their skin.

I'm interested in your perspective on a point I made earlier: Don't you think it would be better if Dungy and Smith treated this as no big deal and simply acted like they belong there instead of calling attention to it as a landmark event? (Smith seems to be emphasizing this more than Dungy, but neither is downplaying it.) To me, that would be the classiest example of all -- treating their appearance in the Super Bowl as status quo.