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***MoLewisrocks*** · 08-25-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Camembert

2009 NFL Salaries for Offensive Linemen

This is a link to the 2009 salaries for all linemen, from the redzone.com (ther's one for guards if you click one more slot). Mediots? Perhaps. Inaccurate? Possibly. Posted previously and in a better manner? Almost assuredly. A jumping-off point? I say yes.

1) Damien Woody is well-paid at $5.8 M. D'Brick made $3.4M.

2) Mawae made $3M.

3) Bobby Gallery made almost $6M.

4)Some linemen are really well paid. Jake Grove, $14.2M (drafted after Mankins, a year earlier). Jake Long, $8M. Max Starks, $11.4M. There are others.

5) Meanwhile LM made $1.4M, while Jahiri Evans made $2.7M.

LM looks underpaid to me. And dudes are making more than $7M who aren't as good as he is. If it WAS about the money, and I know there's a salary cap and all, but if it WAS about the money, I could see it.

You have to know what you're looking at or you end up comparing apples and oranges. Mankins was playing out his rookie deal, and he was still making 3 times what Mangold was in salary that year. Mangold however had already made more than him because of where he was drafted. Older UFA were also making more on lucrative deals they got because they were FA. Jhari Evans was making more that year because he only got a 3 year deal as a 4th round draft choice in 2006 and he was a RFA in 2009 as well as again in 2010 before signing his new deal that was added on to his RFA year...

Richard Camembert · 08-25-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

You have to know what you're looking at or you end up comparing apples and oranges. Mankins was playing out his rookie deal, and he was still making 3 times what Mangold was in salary that year. Mangold however had already made more than him because of where he was drafted. Older UFA were also making more on lucrative deals they got because they were FA. Jhari Evans was making more that year because he only got a 3 year deal as a 4th round draft choice in 2006 and he was a RFA in 2009 as well as again in 2010 before signing his new deal that was added on to his RFA year...

All true. And, of course, there are other factors, like position and talent. Consider some guys from the 2005 draft, when Mankins went 32. David Baas, currently a backup guard, was drafted with pick 33, 1 pick after Mankins, but made only $675K in '09. C Chris Spencer went six picks before LM and made $2.2M in '09. T Michael Roos went at 41 and made a cool $3M in '09. G Marcus Johnson was next next guard drafted after Baas, 17 picks after Mankins, and is out of the league. Roos, with 2 all-pro selections, is the only one of these dudes with a resume comparable to LM's; yet, because he's a tackle, he made twice what LM made that year.

Mangold, drafted in 2006 but already with 2 all-pros, made half of what Mankins made in '09, $700K vs. $1.4M. He might argue, like Mankins but more forcefully, that he has outplayed his contract.

Hmm. If one believes some of the rumors, Mankins was offered roughly twice what Roos, a slightly inferior but comparable player at a generally better paid position, got last year. Maybe he has no complaint after all.

***Joker*** · 08-25-2010, 11:08 PM

I'm sorry...I did not want to go off topic here but it's been bugging me for the past few weeks...Richard Camembert = Dick Cheese????

tell me I'm reading too much into this....

DropKickFlutie · 08-26-2010, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Camembert

2009 NFL Salaries for Offensive Linemen

This is a link to the 2009 salaries for all linemen, from the redzone.com (ther's one for guards if you click one more slot). Mediots? Perhaps. Inaccurate? Possibly. Posted previously and in a better manner? Almost assuredly. A jumping-off point? I say yes.

1) Damien Woody is well-paid at $5.8 M. D'Brick made $3.4M.

2) Mawae made $3M.

3) Bobby Gallery made almost $6M.

4)Some linemen are really well paid. Jake Grove, $14.2M (drafted after Mankins, a year earlier). Jake Long, $8M. Max Starks, $11.4M. There are others.

5) Meanwhile LM made $1.4M, while Jahiri Evans made $2.7M.

LM looks underpaid to me. And dudes are making more than $7M who aren't as good as he is. If it WAS about the money, and I know there's a salary cap and all, but if it WAS about the money, I could see it.

Good post.

Mankins was underpaid, and his supposed new offer also still makes him underpaid when you see what his counterparts are getting in the market.

I don't agree with how he has completely flipped out over this, but the Patriots *are* trying to give him what could be called a fair offer but still on the low side.

MWPatsFan · 08-26-2010, 08:47 AM

The name fails me, but one of the Saints O linemen just got a good-sized contract, like 7yr, 56mil or something. I'm just guessing Mankins is looking in that ballpark.

robertweathers · 08-26-2010, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MWPatsFan

The name fails me, but one of the Saints O linemen just got a good-sized contract, like 7yr, 56mil or something. I'm just guessing Mankins is looking in that ballpark.

I assume the same thing. I'd like to think that he'd get less as I don't think hes as good, but who knows.