BradyFTW!

He's always been a run player first and foremost. I don't see anything in that quote that suggests what you're saying he said.

JackBauer

Pretty much spot on. Really nothing more to discuss in this thread.

BradyFTW!

But AD didn't play a full 16 games last year. That's the point.

Also, to address some other posters re: Seymour's injury history: what injury history? He's had one significant injury in his career, which he sustained while playing FB and has since fully recovered from. Other than that, he's shown himself to be no more injury prone than Warren or Wilfork.

BradyManny

All I can do is compare him to his replacement, Jarvis Green. And Jarvis Green is no Richard Seymour, against the run or the pass.

Let's put it this way, I'd feel better about the upcoming postseason with Seymour on this roster right now. I doubt many people would argue with that sentiment. I'm not saying it was a bad trade - but its hard to argue that he doesn't make the team better, stats or no stats.

Deus Irae

Unless you know something about compensation for lost free agents in the uncapped year that I don't (I looked for a change in the CBA regarding this, but couldn't find one), Seymour could have yielded a compensatory pick (likely a 3rd), as well as the extra year of service, even if the team had let him walk after this season.

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robertweathers

I hear ya. Not a huge difference. I would agree w/ you that overall, the rush off the edge is better this year, but it's not clear-cut.

Seems the impact of his loss is more felt along the line.

My .02$

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BradyFTW!

I agree that it's felt on the line too, which makes sense since Warren, in particular, is seeing more double teams now that Seymour is gone. Wilfork isn't on the field on passing downs anyways. I know that this gets a little subjective at this point, but I will say that Burgess and TBC are *much* better at pressuring the QB than Woods and Vrabel were in 2008. The reason why the 2008 OLB's sack #s are even comparable to the 2009 group's is because there's nobody on the defensive line collapsing the pocket in 2009. If Seymour were with us, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that TBC would be at 12+ sacks this year. He's the best pass-rusher we've had at OLB since Willie McGinest, and they would have been coming off the same side.

That's the problem in comparing OLBs between 2008 and 2009 based on sack numbers alone. There are a number of variables that haven't been controlled for- most relevantly, Seymour.

BPF

I guess what I'm trying to say, so I can be as clear as possible. Seymour hasn't been a dominant player since he was 27. He's been on a steady decline since that point and I can name you only about 5 dominant DL's in the history of the league that played well once over age 30. Now, I'm not saying he couldn't be servicable but not any longer dominant. You don't get 1st Rd picks in return for servicable DL's and he is headed there quickly if not already. Seymour was at his best from 2002-2006, if you recall he missed most of the undefeated season due to injuries -- played 9 games. His best season was 2003. 2008 was an ok season stat wise but he wasn't dominant, everyone could clearly see that. He wasn't relentless and as active knocking down passes in addition to creating pressures. He did have 8 sacks but those numbers were very deceiving, his overall pressures were down. Would I feel better about the playoffs if we had 2003 Seymour, hell yeah!! But 2007 -2009 Seymour wouldn't really make a big difference.

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robertweathers

Yep- agreed on collapsing the pocket observations. Thats why you're seeing Wright line up in the interior/over the center on 3rd down.

Gotta wonder what their real position is on Wilfork. 2 down player w/ a very limited pass rush ability.

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spacecrime

Final results are in?

The final results will be in when you compare a year of Seymour with whatever we get with the pick we got for Seymour.

I think there will be less discussion then.

Seymour was a great player for us, and he left us a legacy in the form of a first round pick.

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