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Old 12-11-2009, 08:43 AM   #21
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That, sir, is the question of the year. He seemed OK last year too. Maybe he was upset about being IRed last year ? Remember they didn't IR him for a while and we thought he'd be back. Who knows but obviously something happened.
I agree it's a huge question. But it started early this season, in training camp, when AD spoke out as our NFLPA rep against an 18 game season. It seemed then that he had a totally different attitude than he had the first 2 seasons. He was also very upset after the Seymour trade. I think his status as an NFLPA rep has something to do with his changed attitude, but I have no idea what exactlty is going on.

But at this point, he's a cancer. Has to go.
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Old 12-11-2009, 08:43 AM   #22
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People are pointing the wrong fingers in this situation.
It's not solely on Thomas. It's more so on his teamates for not holding him accountable for his actions and words. There's fundamentally two types of football players; dedicated leaders and ****y slackers. It is on the dedicated leaders to keep the ****y slackers on the straight and narrow. They need to be the ones who motivate the slackers and dictate the tenor of the locker room. If there is a shortage of dedicated leaders, you get the Patriots we have seen lately. Don't just get on Thomas, get on his teamates.
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Ray Lewis loves his boys on defense. Have never heard Ray Ray rip on any of his present or former Raven D boys ...except Adelius Thomas.
Think now we're beiginning to see why Ray said what he said ...."we won one SB and the Patriots won 3 SB without Adelius Thomas".

Belichick needs to remove this cancer from this team for the rest of the season with the message that Adelius should go home and spend his time off with this toes in the air thinking about what it is to be a leader and a winner.
Can't worry about the salary. If this dog is running his mouth to the media the way he is just imagine what postiive and uplifting things he's saying to his teammates and boys he hangs with.
Removing AD from this team is addition by subtraction
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Trying to relate this to Halberstam's, "education of a coach".. and what we all learned about BB.. difficult to find a comparison, LT does not work... but this guy is putting himself before the team..

The outcome, stay tuned... my guess is he will not play on Sunday... and if he is cut at this late stage, it willl not surprise me.

It is amazing that this is getting so much play on all of the media sites... guess Tiger is fading.
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Trying to relate this to Halberstam's, "education of a coach".. and what we all learned about BB.. difficult to find a comparison, LT does not work... but this guy is putting himself before the team..

The outcome, stay tuned... my guess is he will not play on Sunday... and if he is cut at this late stage, it willl not surprise me.

It is amazing that this is getting so much play on all of the media sites... guess Tiger is fading.
Well it would shock me because BB would then also have to cut several players to make up for the AD salary cap hit because of bonus acceleration.
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That's kind of like what happens to Ian here when posters keep doing things he's asked them not to like starting redundant threads to get more attention for their POV that the mods have to merge.

For the record his contract was for $7M+ and he's already pocketed $20M in signing and option bonuses. He's only "making" $1.9M this season. Next season his salary will be someone elses problem, although we'll be on the hook for $4.4M in dead cap for 2010 and 2011. That will only cause a problem if both of those seasons are capped, and even then it won't be an insurmountable one.

Belichick has already benched him this season over either attitude or performance concerns. That he will again if those continue to be an issue in his estimation, or he won't if they don't, is what it is. He doesn't really care what they say about him in the media. Ty Law called him a liar and he still started him until he was injured and held a roster spot for him for several weeks. Ditto Drew although playing him thereafter was not by choice...

Unlike the fan base, Bill doesn't make choices based on emotion. And he really doesn't care what you...or we think. Coaches who do don't last long in this league.
given the makeup of the roster, and given the fact that it has been clear for some time now that thomas is gone after the season, would it not have been productive to coach thomas up and get what you can out of him? I mean this event was a no-brainer.....thomas was treated no differently than 3 other guys. why he is the one talking now has more to do with what happened earlier in the season and the realization that there is no way he is here at after this year. do the math, dead men walking behave no differently
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Well it would shock me because BB would then also have to cut several players to make up for the AD salary cap hit because of bonus acceleration.
What happens in an uncapped year? Anyone know?
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Trying to relate this to Halberstam's, "education of a coach".. and what we all learned about BB.. difficult to find a comparison, LT does not work... but this guy is putting himself before the team..

The outcome, stay tuned... my guess is he will not play on Sunday... and if he is cut at this late stage, it willl not surprise me.

It is amazing that this is getting so much play on all of the media sites... guess Tiger is fading.
how would you behave if you were a dead man walking like thomas? would you sit there and be the good soldier if you had already been singled out this year and you knew you were history, but you also know you were getting 8M on your way out?
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What happens in an uncapped year? Anyone know?
you can carry alot of dead money. since there there is no lower cap, either, just watch what kinds of players find themselves walking the street this offseason. the roster purges this offseason will be the biggest feature of an uncapped year
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given the makeup of the roster, and given the fact that it has been clear for some time now that thomas is gone after the season, would it not have been productive to coach thomas up and get what you can out of him? I mean this event was a no-brainer.....thomas was treated no differently than 3 other guys. why he is the one talking now has more to do with what happened earlier in the season and the realization that there is no way he is here at after this year. do the math, dead men walking behave no differently
Obviously BB is smart enough to have tried time and again to 'coach AD up'. Bruschi said as much. I had a similar problem in my last company. Superstar engineer. Key employee. Major critical role in product development. Not performing. Developed a bad attitude. Spread it to others. Talked to him time and again. Neither carrot nor warnings worked. No salary cap so I eventually fired him. He was shocked. Couldn't believe I'd do that to him despite several heart to heart warnings. People's internal reality is often at odds to the real world.

In AD's case he HAS his signing bonus. No matter what somebody will pay him several million dollars next year and a couple years after. What's to lose in his mind? He can play games and still collect every dime.
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