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Old 12-03-2009, 01:58 PM   #41
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It's like when Belichick figured out the 01 Rams went through Faulk. Once the Saints took Welker out of the game, we couldn't manufacture a win.
They shut down both Welker and Moss.

Our significant gains came on outs.
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Old 12-03-2009, 01:59 PM   #42
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It isn't the shotgun. It was abandoning the run that was the problem. The Pats have been primarily in the shotgun before and not have this problem. The fact of the matter is the Saints didn't care about the Pats running the ball and just played pass for most of the game after the first quarter.

Of course the defensive woes also played into it. The Pats were grinding it down the field initially, but the Saints didn't need more than a minute or two to respond with a TD meaning the Pats couldn't even afford to grind out the ball anymore. Brees was throwing a TD pass about every four to five pass attempt.

Personally, I think this was an entire team failure. You are focusing too much in on the offense when the defense wasn't even a speed bump on the defense scoring. I think on both sides of the ball the players didn't execute and the coordinators failed to adjust.
Absolutely, it was a total team failure. I was focusing on an analysis of the offense. But I haven't absolved the defense by any means.

We did a much better job of incorporating the run into the shotgun in the Dallas game than we did in the NO game. Most of the time I didn't see a back line up at all.
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This confirms my initial assessment that the NO D had a new type of coverage to contain Welker/Moss:

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It's really not a new twist, just the most successful execution of a twist as Welker stated. The Giants did this to some extent. AllWorldTE posted a breakdown over on the Planet that I reposted here that details it. The linebackers were positioned to cover the run and underneath stuff quickly and prevent YAC. While some screens and rubs might have helped mitigate that Brady wasn't getting time, which it takes, for those to develop. He also noted that while they may have abandoned the run a tad early it was really the quick strike success by NO that dictated that and their LB actually appeared to be playing even faster against the run as the game wore on.
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It's really not a new twist, just the most successful execution of a twist as Welker stated. The Giants did this to some extent. AllWorldTE posted a breakdown over on the Planet that I reposted here that details it. The linebackers were positioned to cover the run and underneath stuff quickly and prevent YAC. While some screens and rubs might have helped mitigate that Brady wasn't getting time, which it takes, for those to develop. He also noted that while they may have abandoned the run a tad early it was really the quick strike success by NO that dictated that and their LB actually appeared to be playing even faster against the run as the game wore on.
Are you allowed to paste a link to that source? I would be interested in reading it.
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It isn't the shotgun. The Pats have been primarily in the shotgun before and not have this problem. The fact of the matter is the Saints didn't care about the Pats running the ball and just played pass for most of the game after the first quarter.

Personally, I think this was an entire team failure. You are focusing too much in on the offense
It clearly was the reversion to almost 100% shotgun plays which largely cost us at least two games.

According to Rob0709's views, the Pats offense can never lose a game because in any loss, the last meaningful points were given up by the Patriots defense to the opposing team.

It's a neat little trick to never lay blame on the offense. Ever.




Mayoclinic did a phenomenal job, twice here on this link, showing how the offense largely caused losses:
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I have all the respect for AllWorldTE, but to conclude that it was simply a bad match-up for the Pats offense, is off the mark.
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He said the same thing I did, re: drop 8, play screen, bracket Welker. Also sitting low on the cross to kill YAC.
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He said the same thing I did, re: drop 8, play screen, bracket Welker. Also sitting low on the cross to kill YAC.
That is the correct way to defeat the Patriots if we do the same thing all day, which we did except for the 1st quarter.
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They shut down both Welker and Moss.

Our significant gains came on outs.


The old teams used to suffer devastating injuries all the time and have resilience.

The new team can't win a game if Welker has a bad game.
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