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Old 12-01-2009, 07:06 AM   #1
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Ever since Tom Brady was given all these high powered tools this offense has become more and more predictable, produces critical TO's with Brady always forcing the ball to his binky Moss, (did it again last night - Pats up 7 - 3, D stops Bress, Welker makes great punt return and Brady chokes it right back when looking for his binky- HUGE momentun changer in that game) and leaves the D on the field far too long and far too often.
As weird as it sounds this O and this team were better off when they had a dink and dunk offense which controllled the clock and the tempo of the game. When is the last time this offense went on a 9 minute drive? Doesn't happen and one of the big reasons why is Brady continues his obsession in keeping his binky happy by forcing the ball to Moss thus turning it over/going out on downs continually.
Until this team gets back to its' roots with a ball control and clock management offense with team will never win another SB. A big part of what made the defenses in '01, '03 and '04 so good is that the O kept the ball and kept them off the field for long periods of time. Unfortunately this D unit doesn't have the same luxury.
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Old 12-01-2009, 07:10 AM   #2
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The Pats went 18-1 in 2007 and if either Asante Samuel or Brandon Meriweather caught either of Eli Manning's gift wrapped interceptions in the Super Bowl, they would have gone 19-0 and won the Super Bowl.

This offense has become too predictable crap is ridiculous. I will admit Bill O'Brien is going through some serious growing pains as a signal caller, but there was nothing wrong with the offense in 2007. Hopefully O'Brien will learn from these mistakes by playoffs time.
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Ever since Tom Brady was given all these high powered tools this offense has become more and more predictable, produces critical TO's with Brady always forcing the ball to his binky Moss, (did it again last night - Pats up 7 - 3, D stops Bress, Welker makes great punt return and Brady chokes it right back when looking for his binky- HUGE momentun changer in that game) and leaves the D on the field far too long and far too often.
As weird as it sounds this O and this team were better off when they had a dink and dunk offense which controllled the clock and the tempo of the game. When is the last time this offense went on a 9 minute drive? Doesn't happen and one of the big reasons why is Brady continues his obsession in keeping his binky happy by forcing the ball to Moss thus turning it over/going out on downs continually.
Until this team gets back to its' roots with a ball control and clock management offense with team will never win another SB. A big part of what made the defenses in '01, '03 and '04 so good is that the O kept the ball and kept them off the field for long periods of time. Unfortunately this D unit doesn't have the same luxury.
You said it man. One dimensional offenses can't win against good defenses. Just ask Peyton Manning.
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When is the last time this offense went on a 9 minute drive?
Dude, we lead the league in time of possession.
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The Pats went 18-1 in 2007 and if either Asante Samuel or Brandon Meriweather caught either of Eli Manning's gift wrapped interceptions in the Super Bowl, they would have gone 19-0 and won the Super Bowl.

This offense has become too predictable crap is ridiculous. I will admit Bill O'Brien is going through some serious growing pains as a signal caller, but there was nothing wrong with the offense in 2007. Hopefully O'Brien will learn from these mistakes by playoffs time.
I agree that the big problem is that somewhere between BB, O'Brien, and Brady—it's impossible to really tell exactly where this is coming from—the O just gets too pass-happy, period. Even when the running game has been working, all of a sudden they just go to five-wide, throw-on-every-down. For the life of me, I still can't think of any good reason for having Brady attempt 100 passes in the first two games.
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The problem with the offense is it lacks a competent coordinator who is able to design and call plays that best maximize the immense talent on this side of the ball. Fix that glaring problem and all will be good!
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The problem with the offense is it lacks a competent coordinator who is able to design and call plays that best maximize the immense talent on this side of the ball. Fix that glaring problem and all will be good!
All will be good? What about the secondary?
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All will be good? What about the secondary?
I'm talking only about the offense.

Having said this, I wouldn't object to seeing Pees removed. I actually think the secondary is fine. It's the devoid pass rush that is worrisome.
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Ever since Tom Brady was given all these high powered tools this offense has become more and more predictable, produces critical TO's with Brady always forcing the ball to his binky Moss, (did it again last night - Pats up 7 - 3, D stops Bress, Welker makes great punt return and Brady chokes it right back when looking for his binky- HUGE momentun changer in that game) and leaves the D on the field far too long and far too often.
As weird as it sounds this O and this team were better off when they had a dink and dunk offense which controllled the clock and the tempo of the game. When is the last time this offense went on a 9 minute drive? Doesn't happen and one of the big reasons why is Brady continues his obsession in keeping his binky happy by forcing the ball to Moss thus turning it over/going out on downs continually.
Until this team gets back to its' roots with a ball control and clock management offense with team will never win another SB. A big part of what made the defenses in '01, '03 and '04 so good is that the O kept the ball and kept them off the field for long periods of time. Unfortunately this D unit doesn't have the same luxury.
in the first year they were together, 2007, we went 18-1, and were 2 mins and change from 19-0, something that has NEVER been done. Had the D stopped Eli Manning's last drive, then we win.

In the second year they were together, 2008, TB went on IR 15 mins into the season.

This is our third year, and the jury is still out how we are going to do . . .
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You said it man. One dimensional offenses can't win against good defenses. Just ask Peyton Manning.


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