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Old 05-26-2009, 06:58 PM   #1
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It has been a MAJOR CONCERN of mine. I like that they added some youth to our D and O-Line, but those guys are unknowns. I DO NOT TRUST Nick Kaczur. Matt Light is an enigma to me. I just can't decide if he's a good LT or not. I saw Koppen get pushed around a lot last year and when was the last time that Stephen Neal stayed on the field consistently? Yes, I am still thinking about that horrible display against the Giants. It was shocking. Brady took a beating. Now that he has returned, in the back of my mind, I worry for his safety. I don't trust any of them. Well I have a soft spot for Mankins, but he's the only one that I have any faith in. But he didn't look all that GOOD in that Super Bowl either. Did he?
This Group didn't look all that good last year either. Matt Cassel spent a lot of time running for his life, especially when he faced defenses with a very good pass rush. This worries me the most.

I am concerned about our pass rush and linebacker depth. But the protection of the "Franchise" IS MORE IMPORTANT, IMO.

I keep wondering if it's the scheme or the players. Thoughts?
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I'm worried. TFB makes everyone look better then they really are.
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It has been a MAJOR CONCERN of mine. I like that they added some youth to our D and O-Line, but those guys are unknowns. I DO NOT TRUST Nick Kaczur. Matt Light is an enigma to me. I just can't decide if he's a good LT or not. I saw Koppen get pushed around a lot last year and when was the last time that Stephen Neal stayed on the field consistently? Yes, I am still thinking about that horrible display against the Giants. It was shocking. Brady took a beating. Now that he has returned, in the back of my mind, I worry for his safety. I don't trust any of them. Well I have a soft spot for Mankins, but he's the only one that I have any faith in. But he didn't look all that GOOD in that Super Bowl either. Did he?
This Group didn't look all that good last year either. Matt Cassel spent a lot of time running for his life, especially when he faced defenses with a very good pass rush. This worries me the most.

I am concerned about our pass rush and linebacker depth. But the protection of the "Franchise" IS MORE IMPORTANT, IMO.

I keep wondering if it's the scheme or the players. Thoughts?

Kaczur and Light are turnstiles much of the time. So yes, while the two of them are in there....I am concerned about the offensive line....and Tom Brady's health.....
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How do you suggest we improve it? Trade Mayo, Meriweather etc. for Joe Thomas and Jake Long?

Our O-line is VERY dependable as a whole and they do exactly what is asked of them. We shouldn't get rid of all of them because we lost the SB 1 1/2 years ago in a fluke game. They are a big (the biggest?) reason why we won 11 games last year WITHOUT Brady. BB is bringing guys in that will eventually take over starting positions... but then you will have to complain about how guys like Vollmer are turnstiles while we win 11+ games.
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Half the sacks cassell was not running he put his head down and ran into the defender or was running around with his head down.Someitime he ran into his own lineman and not even looking up.

Tom brady will not be brady without a very good LT ,if some one wants to argue that a LT is not needed for a good qb then they are kidding themself.I do not under what you want to do go the colts way draft a high LT who is either injured or cannot cut it .It is very hard to find a quality LT yet we are all ready to get rid of a good one.

No idea how brady made all his blocker better are you suggesting when 5 or 6 people are pass rushing brady is neutralizing all rushers !
amazing.

How many winning drives have seen and how many sacks has light given on such drives resulting in a loss?

We pull our OL in RB Screens and WR bubble screens and for that you need faster smaller downfield blocking OL. from your post its Obvious you hate screens of anykind and would like very big OL who cannot run intresting .

If we do the change we can get rid of faulk and reduce the effectiveness of wes welker and no more pulling tackle guard or centers on screen.
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How do you suggest we improve it? Trade Mayo, Meriweather etc. for Joe Thomas and Jake Long?

Our O-line is VERY dependable as a whole and they do exactly what is asked of them. We shouldn't get rid of all of them because we lost the SB 1 1/2 years ago in a fluke game. They are a big (the biggest?) reason why we won 11 games last year WITHOUT Brady. BB is bringing guys in that will eventually take over starting positions... but then you will have to complain about how guys like Vollmer are turnstiles while we win 11+ games.
Ryan Clady and Michael Oher have both been passed over by BB. Let's not pretend that the team hasn't had the opportunity to get top prospects at the tackle spots. BB surely has his reasons for the moves he's made, but the "trade for..." stuff just doesn't fly.
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Ryan Clady and Michael Oher have both been passed over by BB. Let's not pretend that the team hasn't had the opportunity to get top prospects at the tackle spots. BB surely has his reasons for the moves he's made, but the "trade for..." stuff just doesn't fly.
Exactly... do we want Clady over Mayo? Oher over Chung? While some here have the opinion that we should, BB clearly disagrees. I'm sure Dante is in the war room every year lobbying for taking players such as those two, but there is a reason BB hasn't urgently addressed the o-line.

That is what I love about the draft... while some want to see the Pats pick their draft binkie, it's one of the only times during the year that we actually get to see what Belichick is truly thinking.
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2001 SB: Light, Compton, Woody, Andruzzi, Robinson-Randall
2004 SB: Light, Hochstein, Koppen, Andruzzi, Ashworth.
2005 SB: Light, Andruzzi, Koppen, Neal, Gorin
Great post. We are fine at O-line.

Looking back at that entire 2001 roster, without Belichick we had no business playing for the championship.

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If you are concerned with Light and Kaczur, then you should be concerned. Of course, we all have our problems. We won 3 Super Bowls with much poorer lines.

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It has been a MAJOR CONCERN of mine. I like that they added some youth to our D and O-Line, but those guys are unknowns. I DO NOT TRUST Nick Kaczur. Matt Light is an enigma to me. I just can't decide if he's a good LT or not. I saw Koppen get pushed around a lot last year and when was the last time that Stephen Neal stayed on the field consistently? Yes, I am still thinking about that horrible display against the Giants. It was shocking. Brady took a beating. Now that he has returned, in the back of my mind, I worry for his safety. I don't trust any of them. Well I have a soft spot for Mankins, but he's the only one that I have any faith in. But he didn't look all that GOOD in that Super Bowl either. Did he?
This Group didn't look all that good last year either. Matt Cassel spent a lot of time running for his life, especially when he faced defenses with a very good pass rush. This worries me the most.

I am concerned about our pass rush and linebacker depth. But the protection of the "Franchise" IS MORE IMPORTANT, IMO.

I keep wondering if it's the scheme or the players. Thoughts?
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