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So if you can find anybody on the team that ran a good 40, we're quick.
You know other teams have cornerbacks and safeties too. Plus unproven 4th rounders and free agents.
I'll have to agree with you that we have some fast players on defense.
Unfortunately, everybody else in the league has more.
I'm not going to get involved in yet another game of "let's move the goalposts". You were wrong about the defensive speed and you were wrong about the veteran backup. I will point out a couple of things, though.
Wheatley (IR) ran a 4.37, Thomas (IR) ran a 4.5, Deltha O'Neal ran a 4.38.
Pittsburgh linebackers:
Woodley 4.74
Foote: 4.81
Farrior is 33 and I could not find Harrison's 40 time. New England has a faster linebacking corps that the Steelers do, in all likelihood.
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I'm not going to get involved in yet another game of "let's move the goalposts". You were wrong about the defensive speed and you were wrong about the veteran backup. I will point out a couple of things, though.
Wheatley (IR) ran a 4.37, Thomas (IR) ran a 4.5, Deltha O'Neal ran a 4.38.
Pittsburgh linebackers:
Woodley 4.74
Foote: 4.81
Farrior is 33 and I could not find Harrison's 40 time. So much for that "everybody else in the league has more" theory, huh?
You're right, we have an extremely fast defense.
I'm sure everyone agrees with you.
Harrison who? Do we have a player named Harrison on defense now?
Harrison who? Do we have a player named Harrison on defense now?
Why not list Chris Slade's time?
Harrison is the 4th Steeler linebacker, and what people agree with won't change the times. Your comment about the team speed was ill-thought and incorrect.
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Harrison is the 4th Steeler linebacker, and what people agree with won't change the times. Your comment about the team speed was ill-thought and incorrect.
Sorry, since you listed last year's pre-injury Colvin I thought you were listing the injured Harrison.
So we're comparing our Safeties and cornerbacks and one unproven free agent LB to Pittsburgh linebackes.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Why not list Seau and Bruschi's college forty times? I'm sure they're about the same now.
LOL. I thought I was joking, but you are directly comparing our cornerbacks to Pittsburghs linebackers on speed.
No I wasn't. Read again. I posted Mayo and Guyton in the previous, and I posted Thomas, Wheatley and O'Neal because they hadn't been in the first post, although two of the 3 are currently on IR. I then posted the two Steeler LB times I could find, pointed out that Farrior is 33, and noted that I couldn't find Harrison's time.
Your comment about speed is simply wrong with the current lineup, and I was using the Steelers linebackers to illustrate that.
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No I wasn't. Read again. I posted Mayo and Guyton in the previous, and I posted Thomas, Wheatley and O'Neal because they hadn't been in the first post, although two of the 3 are currently on IR. I then posted the two Steeler LB times I could find, pointed out that Farrior is 33, and noted that I couldn't find Harrison's time.
Your comment about speed is simply wrong with the current lineup, and I was using the Steelers linebackers to illustrate that.
Mayo's a rookie, I mentioned him. Guyton's a free agent. we're lucky we picked him up, but it mostly shows our total lack of depth at LB that he and two guys who were on a couch last week are playing lots.
Seems you aren't aware that Bruschi, Vrable and Thomas are our other three starters this year when healthy. I didn't see you drag up their college 40 times, if just for the nostalgia.
Mayo's a rookie, I mentioned him. Guyton's a free agent. we're lucky we picked him up, but it mostly shows our total lack of depth at LB that he and two guys who were on a couch last week are playing lots.
Seems you aren't aware that Bruschi, Vrable and Thomas are our other three starters this year when healthy. I didn't see you drag up their college 40 times, if just for the nostalgia.
1.) It's Vrabel, not Crable (who's time I also didn't post)
2.) Do you really think Bruschi, Vrabel or Farrior (from the Steelers example) are as fast at this point in their careers as their college 40 times would lead us to believe?
3.) I posted Thomas' 40 in the follow up post.
As for the depth issue, Thomas and Woods went down, as did the rookie Crable. Exactly how deep do you think teams are in today's NFL?
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"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
- Marcus Aurelius
1.) It's Vrabel, not Crable (who's time I also didn't post)
2.) Do you really think Bruschi, Vrabel or Farrior (from the Steelers example) are as fast at this point in their careers as their college 40 times would lead us to believe?
3.) I posted Thomas' 40 in the follow up post.
As for the depth issue, Thomas and Woods went down, as did the rookie Crable. Exactly how deep do you think teams are in today's NFL?
Since they're all probably injured anyway (Vrabel has a chronic bad back) maybe we can replace them all with fast free agents who can't play so you can win your argument.
I'm more concerned with the functional lack of speed among our defensive starters at LB and nonexistent depth than I am of making nonsensical arguments.
The 40 times of whatever undrafted free agents we're forced to use because of lack of seasoned backups is irrelevant IMO.
Since they're all probably injured anyway (Vrabel has a chronic bad back) maybe we can replace them all with fast free agents who can't play so you can win your argument.
I'm more concerned with the functional lack of speed among our defensive starters at LB and nonexistent depth than I am of making nonsensical arguments.
The 40 times of whatever undrafted free agents we're forced to use because of lack of seasoned backups is irrelevant IMO.
I'm not replacing anyone, I'm pointing out what's on the roster. Yes, if we just ignore the facts, RayClay, you have a point. However, I'm not ignoring the facts just so you can make a nonexistent point. Linebacker speed is not the problem, just as it wasn't when the linebacker corps was running Bruschi, Cox, Phifer, Johnson and Vrabel out on the field. The combination of declining skills, inexperience, injury and lack of cohesion is "the problem" at linebacker.
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