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Old 10-13-2008, 06:18 AM   #1
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Default Pats might still be 3-2 if Brady were playing

Don't get me wrong..I am 100% in the Cassell sucks camp and NEVER wanted him to start at QB for this team...but...

The defense has been so mediocre or poor and the OL has been so bad, that even with Tom Brady the PATS might have lost to both Miami and SD.

When will BB get some legitimate criticism for a HORRIBLE offseason?

1. failed to adress CB situation properly..there were some options out there (e.g. Lito Shephard)
2. Failed to get a veteran backup QB who doesn't sit down in a tuck when there is any pressure
3. Did not draft or get any quality O-line members


Are we witnessing the "cleveland Browns BB"
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:25 AM   #2
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I disagree, i think the Pats would be 5-0 with Brady. The reason the defense is getting lit up so much is because we have a quarterback who can't consistently sustain point scoring drives. Another issue is the fact that this team really isn't capable of making a comeback in a game without Brady.
I'm sorry, but you haven't been watching the games. The defense is getting lit up because the front 7 isn't getting consistent pressure on the QB. The defense is getting lit up because the CBs are still playing 10 yards off the receivers and not playing in press coverage and bumping the receivers at the line. The defense is getting lit up because they aren't making the plays they need to make.

As for the offense, they aren't getting it done because of the inconsistent play from the O-line. And it hasn't mattered if they were run blocking or pass blockings. Its been inconsistent.

Has Cassel helped matters? Nope. But he's not hurt them as much as people think.
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Don't get me wrong..I am 100% in the Cassell sucks camp and NEVER wanted him to start at QB for this team...but...

The defense has been so mediocre or poor and the OL has been so bad, that even with Tom Brady the PATS might have lost to both Miami and SD.

When will BB get some legitimate criticism for a HORRIBLE offseason?

1. failed to adress CB situation properly..there were some options out there (e.g. Lito Shephard)
2. Failed to get a veteran backup QB who doesn't sit down in a tuck when there is any pressure
3. Did not draft or get any quality O-line members


Are we witnessing the "cleveland Browns BB"


1. B.B. isnt going to mortgage the caps future to get one guy who MIGHT help the team.
2. He most certainly looked at his options for a vet qb, and probably didnt like what he saw. He does evaluate players better than us
3. He did bring in some o-lineman (one of which is still hurt) and most of em werent an improvement.

Bottom line, I don't recall anybody in free agency that would be that much of an improvement, without breaking the bank.
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I think BB knew what every one of us know .. If Brady goes down, we are pretty much screwed anyway.. Cassel at least knows the offense. Well Brady is out and we are pretty much screwed.. We would be 4-1 right now.. I think we would have beat miami... Cassel is what he is a back up QB.. will win us 3 games , lose us 3 games
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Don't get me wrong..I am 100% in the Cassell sucks camp and NEVER wanted him to start at QB for this team...but...

The defense has been so mediocre or poor and the OL has been so bad, that even with Tom Brady the PATS might have lost to both Miami and SD.

When will BB get some legitimate criticism for a HORRIBLE offseason?

1. failed to adress CB situation properly..there were some options out there (e.g. Lito Shephard)
2. Failed to get a veteran backup QB who doesn't sit down in a tuck when there is any pressure
3. Did not draft or get any quality O-line members


Are we witnessing the "cleveland Browns BB"
1.) Who was available? Other than overpay for Samuel, there was no CB available worth taking. They did draft two CBs and signed four free agents. Name on free agent from last offseason who is doing anything right now.
2.) Again, who was available? You have to find a QB who fits the system Brady runs.
3.) The Pats had 3 Pro Bowlers on the o-line last season. Right now, two of those Pro Bowlers are struggle as bad or worse than the other two guys who didn't. How was Belichick to know that Koppen and Mankins would struggle so badly without Brady? In the passing game, Mankins has been arguably worse than Yates this year.

If this season comes apart, Belichick is accountable. But to say he is the Cleveland Belichick is just wrong. Do you think the Colts would be in any better shape if they lost Manning for the season? Look at Marv Levy's record without Jim Kelley, Bill Walsh without Montana, Chuck Noll without Bradway. You cannot expect that you lose your HOF QB and not have a significant drop off even for a HOF QB.
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Don't get me wrong..I am 100% in the Cassell sucks camp and NEVER wanted him to start at QB for this team...but...

The defense has been so mediocre or poor and the OL has been so bad, that even with Tom Brady the PATS might have lost to both Miami and SD.

When will BB get some legitimate criticism for a HORRIBLE offseason?

1. failed to adress CB situation properly..there were some options out there (e.g. Lito Shephard)
2. Failed to get a veteran backup QB who doesn't sit down in a tuck when there is any pressure
3. Did not draft or get any quality O-line members


Are we witnessing the "cleveland Browns BB"
You were doing great until the last line. That's just assinine and proves you don't know what you are talking about.

BB took the Cleveland Browns from being a crappy team to the play-offs. Their final year in Cleveland, the team gave up after the announcement that the team was moving to Baltimore and that many of the players weren't going to be kept.

I also find it interesting that you make no mention of how the front 7 hasn't gotten consistent pressure on the QB. I also question whether you understand that its impossible to judge the drafting of Wheatley and Wilhite until they've been around while. And there is no quarantee that Antoine Cason or Aqib Talib would be playing any better in the Pats system. As for Lito Sheppard, what is to say he'd be doing any better here? Not to mention that the Eagles wanted insane compensation for him.

People keep talking about "quality" veteran QB, but again, who was there to get? Joey Harrington? Chris Simms (who is on the street again)? Seriously.

Not sure who the Pats could have taken for their O-line who would be helping right now, except maybe Zuttah. But other than that, who would you have had them get?
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Don't get me wrong..I am 100% in the Cassell sucks camp and NEVER wanted him to start at QB for this team...but...

The defense has been so mediocre or poor and the OL has been so bad, that even with Tom Brady the PATS might have lost to both Miami and SD.

When will BB get some legitimate criticism for a HORRIBLE offseason?

1. failed to adress CB situation properly..there were some options out there (e.g. Lito Shephard)
2. Failed to get a veteran backup QB who doesn't sit down in a tuck when there is any pressure
3. Did not draft or get any quality O-line members


Are we witnessing the "cleveland Browns BB"
1) The Eagles wanted ALOT for Lito, plus he's not THAT good.

2) Really, who? Bledsoe? Looking at the UFA list, there was really nobody.

3) There were other more important needs like LB and CB, which he did address in the 1st 2 rounds. Plus a rookie OL would not have been the answer.
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1.) Who was available? Other than overpay for Samuel, there was no CB available worth taking. They did draft two CBs and signed four free agents. Name on free agent from last offseason who is doing anything right now.
On WIP 610 in Philly, Eagles fans have been complaining how Samuels always plays 10 yards off the receiver.
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I disagree, i think the Pats would be 5-0 with Brady. The reason the defense is getting lit up so much is because we have a quarterback who can't consistently sustain point scoring drives. Another issue is the fact that this team really isn't capable of making a comeback in a game without Brady.
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Don't get me wrong..I am 100% in the Cassell sucks camp and NEVER wanted him to start at QB for this team...but...

The defense has been so mediocre or poor and the OL has been so bad, that even with Tom Brady the PATS might have lost to both Miami and SD.

When will BB get some legitimate criticism for a HORRIBLE offseason?

1. failed to adress CB situation properly..there were some options out there (e.g. Lito Shephard)
2. Failed to get a veteran backup QB who doesn't sit down in a tuck when there is any pressure
3. Did not draft or get any quality O-line members


Are we witnessing the "cleveland Browns BB"
Perhaps, but the scores might have been more like...

Pats 34, KC 10
Pats 38, NYJ 17
Miami 38, Pats 34
Pats 48, SF 21
SD 30, Pats 27

Get the point?
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