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Old 10-27-2008, 11:02 AM   #31
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I agree - but its just a means to an end.

Here's his projected #s for the year:

Projected 299 compl 455 attempts 3113 yds 65.8% 16 tds 14 ints 84.6 rating

Those numbers definitely put him in at least the middle of the pack of QBs - with an expectation he could get better. There's definitely teams out there who would fork over some picks for that, no question. Put it this way: so far he's a GOOD quarterback, how many teams can comfortably make that statement?
True, and he will probably get that money considering he keeps up the good job that he is doing thus far and if this projection matches what his end performance
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:06 AM   #32
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Yeah franchising a QB would run in to some serious dough.
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The salary would be 14 million, which is alot of cake to risk, but they could use it as trade bait and trade Cassel for a 2nd, or 3rd rounder (ala Tebucky Jones). Cassell (unless he turns into Tom Brady) is not goint ot get you a first round pick (and certainly nobody is going to sign him for the franchise amount, which would costs them 2 1st rd picks).
Just to be clear, that's not the way it works. The franchise amount is the amount that the team using the franchise tag has to pay in order to exercise the tag (which leaves the player not a FA, but only obligated for one year). A team could offer Cassel a vet-minimum contract, if they wanted to, and then the Pats would have seven days to match. If the Pats didn't match, then the team signing would owe the Pats two first-rounders.

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But on the other hand, the only AFC team in need of a starting QB next year will be the Chiefs, and in the NFC (assuming AZ either re-signs Warner (UFA) or goes with Lienart) only the Lions, Vikings, and Bears (oh my) need a starting QB. So the market for a franchised Cassel would be squarely in the NFC "Norris".
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What about the transition tag?

• A transition player has received a minimum offer of the average of the top 10 salaries of last season at the player's position or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.

• A transition player designation gives the club a first-refusal right to match within seven days an offer sheet given to the player by another club after his contract expires. If the club matches, it retains the player. If it does not match, it receives no compensation.

A club wanting to sign Cassel will have to negotiate with the Pats not to match. The Pats could get a draft pick or player and not tie up cap room
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What about the transition tag?

• A transition player has received a minimum offer of the average of the top 10 salaries of last season at the player's position or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.

• A transition player designation gives the club a first-refusal right to match within seven days an offer sheet given to the player by another club after his contract expires. If the club matches, it retains the player. If it does not match, it receives no compensation.

A club wanting to sign Cassel will have to negotiate with the Pats not to match. The Pats could get a draft pick or player and not tie up cap room
I forgot about that. Good suggestion.
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:30 AM   #36
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It's too early to think about this because Cassel has nothing to fall back on beyond what he does this year. If we were talking about a multi-year starter who slumped a bit at the end of a season, it's not as big of a deal. But Cassel has only what he does on the field this year and of course people are going to be very skeptical.

And barring a dramatic increase in level of play (and I'm very happy with Cassel's progress), there is not a team in the league giving Matt Cassel 10 or 12 or whatever the number is, million dollars per year. No chance. And it would be that AND a draft pick.

Most here agreed when the Pats didn't give Deion Branch a contract that would pay him like the 6th best WR in the league, and now we expect someone to pay Matt Cassel like the 5th or 6th best player in the league?
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A) If we franchise Cassel and he signs the tender, what happens if we cut him at various times (before the draft, before the season and during the season). If the team isn't obligated for the season, perhaps $875K per game isn't so bad, except that the incentive would be to bring Brady back too early.

SOME THOUGHTS ON FRANCHISING MATT CASSEL

1) We would not have $14M available as others competed for free agents.

2) If Cassel signs the tender for $14M for one year, would the team owe him anything if they were unable to make a trade? Note that Cassel doesn't need to cooperate with a trade. He can just sit tight knowing that he will make $14M or be cut and then negotiate with a team that will not need to give up a draft pick.

3) Unfortunately, the patriots may need to work directly with Cassel to secure his service for the patriots. Brady is by no means a guarantee to be near 100% to start the season. And playing next year with O'Connell as the #2 may not be the best approach. As several have indicated, perhaps the best approach is a 2 year extension at $6M or so per year (or the 3 years, with theird being a fake year). This would be able to be fit it to the patriots cap structure, as is more reasonable, than one year at $14M.
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What about the transition tag?

• A transition player has received a minimum offer of the average of the top 10 salaries of last season at the player's position or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.

• A transition player designation gives the club a first-refusal right to match within seven days an offer sheet given to the player by another club after his contract expires. If the club matches, it retains the player. If it does not match, it receives no compensation.

A club wanting to sign Cassel will have to negotiate with the Pats not to match. The Pats could get a draft pick or player and not tie up cap room
The transition tag only brings out the "poison pill". Someone will sign Cassel, and all they would have (in this case) to do is put something in the contract the says that he (Cassel) gets a 5 million dollar bonus if he plays more than 5 games a year in Massachusetts (or something similiar ot that) and in that case the Pats get no compensaiton whatsoever.

You would have thought that the league would have done something about this after the Vikings'Seahawks fueds with this, but they have not.
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QUESTION
A) If we franchise Cassel and he signs the tender, what happens if we cut him at various times (before the draft, before the season and during the season). If the team isn't obligated for the season, perhaps $875K per game isn't so bad, except that the incentive would be to bring Brady back too early.

SOME THOUGHTS ON FRANCHISING MATT CASSEL

1) We would not have $14M available as others competed for free agents.

2) If Cassel signs the tender for $14M for one year, would the team owe him anything if they were unable to make a trade? Note that Cassel doesn't need to cooperate with a trade. He can just sit tight knowing that he will make $14M or be cut and then negotiate with a team that will not need to give up a draft pick.

3) Unfortunately, the patriots may need to work directly with Cassel to secure his service for the patriots. Brady is by no means a guarantee to be near 100% to start the season. And playing next year with O'Connell as the #2 may not be the best approach. As several have indicated, perhaps the best approach is a 2 year extension at $6M or so per year (or the 3 years, with theird being a fake year). This would be able to be fit it to the patriots cap structure, as is more reasonable, than one year at $14M.
I believe that once he signs it, it's guaranteed, so that even if he's cut, he gets paid.....

Or I may be wrong, but I dno't think so.

So it's a huge risk to 'tag' him, in the hopes of trading him, b/c if you can't, you're stuck with a huge salary to him.

Best case figure out what he'd get in a 2 year deal and pay him that. I figure maybe 2M per year.
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The transition tag only brings out the "poison pill". Someone will sign Cassel, and all they would have (in this case) to do is put something in the contract the says that he (Cassel) gets a 5 million dollar bonus if he plays more than 5 games a year in Massachusetts (or something similiar ot that) and in that case the Pats get no compensaiton whatsoever.

You would have thought that the league would have done something about this after the Vikings'Seahawks fueds with this, but they have not.
I agree but it could create a situation similar to Welker's when the league stepped in and asked the teams to come to agreement to trade Welker and avoid the poison pill.
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