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Old 02-07-2013, 08:13 AM   #1
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Seems like every year there are so many calls the refs just basically get wrong and the losing team is left agonizing of what could have been if the calls went there way. It is happening so much now that I think it has to be a part of the equation and teams/coaches need to account for that and have plays designed as such.

It's game after game after game.....some teams get hit harder but I think each team would say they are the victims. It's the sad truth but its probably impossible to get every call right however refs these days are making more mistakes leading to all the controversy and discussions. Even though we feel calls go mostly against us - have been reading on the 49ers message boards how the Pats DBs mugged the Rams WR in 2002 SB and refs "let them play".....

Also drops, fumbles, etc - they are gonna happen and have to be looked at as being part of the game and teams need to win despite that.

Bad refereeing and key drops/mistakes by teams are not isolated incidents but part of the norm. Not breaking any major news - just stating the obvious....
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Seems like every year there are so many calls the refs just basically get wrong and the losing team is left agonizing of what could have been if the calls went there way. It is happening so much now that I think it has to be a part of the equation and teams/coaches need to account for that and have plays designed as such.

It's game after game after game.....some teams get hit harder but I think each team would say they are the victims. It's the sad truth but its probably impossible to get every call right however refs these days are making more mistakes leading to all the controversy and discussions. Even though we feel calls go mostly against us - have been reading on the 49ers message boards how the Pats DBs mugged the Rams WR in 2002 SB and refs "let them play".....

Also drops, fumbles, etc - they are gonna happen and have to be looked at as being part of the game and teams need to win despite that.

Bad refereeing and key drops/mistakes by teams are not isolated incidents but part of the norm. Not breaking any major news - just stating the obvious....
The way things work now in the NFL is the differences between good teams at the top of the heap -- especially in the playoffs -- are razor thin. Winning or losing depends on injury, turnovers, a mistake, a ref's call, or a lucky bounce of the ball. That's why the two SB losses to the Giants are so frustrating. Little things end up being big difference makers and get big focus.
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For sometime now the media have been saying that in the SB the refs 'allow teams to play more ' than in the regular season or in the playoffs. IMO thats just isn't true. The refs typically call the game one-sided. The most recent was this years SB. But I remember the SB with the Steelers vs the Seahawks. That was the most lopsided game ever. I cannot believe that the refs call the games that way in the most meaningful game of the season.

Sometimes I honestly believe that the refs have a stake in the game or they are blinded by sentimental reasons, case in point 'Lewis retiring' etc or 'the bus' retiring etc. And then ofcourse last years SB vs the Giants. It really upsets me when a game is decided in the last couple of mins because of the refs!! If they are going to allow the teams to 'just play', they should call it that way for both teams!!
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Well the Ravens sure didn't have to deal with the refs being against them at all. They were handed two games by the refs (Pats on about eight key blown calls; Chargers on the 28 yard play that was good enough to convert 4th and 29), and had the better end of things in the Super Bowl.
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have you been following the Soccer syndicate that has been fixing matches including World cup qualifiers, FIFA matches? all masterminded and controlled from Singapore.

i am just saying -- lets not be naive -- NBA games, pro soccer games have been fixed and influenced.

i have no idea if the lopsided referee performance is linked to a conspiracy.

but i would not be shocked if something like that were revealed.

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For sometime now the media have been saying that in the SB the refs 'allow teams to play more ' than in the regular season or in the playoffs. IMO thats just isn't true. The refs typically call the game one-sided. The most recent was this years SB. But I remember the SB with the Steelers vs the Seahawks. That was the most lopsided game ever. I cannot believe that the refs call the games that way in the most meaningful game of the season.

Sometimes I honestly believe that the refs have a stake in the game or they are blinded by sentimental reasons, case in point 'Lewis retiring' etc or 'the bus' retiring etc. And then ofcourse last years SB vs the Giants. It really upsets me when a game is decided in the last couple of mins because of the refs!! If they are going to allow the teams to 'just play', they should call it that way for both teams!!
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have you been following the Soccer syndicate that has been fixing matches including World cup qualifiers, FIFA matches? all masterminded and controlled from Singapore.

i am just saying -- lets not be naive -- NBA games, pro soccer games have been fixed and influenced.

i have no idea if the lopsided referee performance is linked to a conspiracy.

but i would not be shocked if something like that were revealed.

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have you been following the Soccer syndicate that has been fixing matches including World cup qualifiers, FIFA matches? all masterminded and controlled from Singapore.

i am just saying -- lets not be naive -- NBA games, pro soccer games have been fixed and influenced.

i have no idea if the lopsided referee performance is linked to a conspiracy.

but i would not be shocked if something like that were revealed.

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Fixing sports is a worldwide problem. Horse racing, boxing anything where people will frame a market to bet.

And it's not the whole game that has to be rigged or fixed but aspects, it's called spot fixing. This is where events within a game like who scores first or whatever .

One of the biggest fixing problems is in international cricket! There can be 100's of opportunities in EVERY GAME for deliberate manipulation.

I think it would be naive in the extreme to think it doesn't exist in the country that almost write the book.
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Seems like every year there are so many calls the refs just basically get wrong and the losing team is left agonizing of what could have been if the calls went there way. It is happening so much now that I think it has to be a part of the equation and teams/coaches need to account for that and have plays designed as such.

It's game after game after game.....some teams get hit harder but I think each team would say they are the victims. It's the sad truth but its probably impossible to get every call right however refs these days are making more mistakes leading to all the controversy and discussions. Even though we feel calls go mostly against us - have been reading on the 49ers message boards how the Pats DBs mugged the Rams WR in 2002 SB and refs "let them play".....

Also drops, fumbles, etc - they are gonna happen and have to be looked at as being part of the game and teams need to win despite that.

Bad refereeing and key drops/mistakes by teams are not isolated incidents but part of the norm. Not breaking any major news - just stating the obvious....
It's the effect of parity. 20 years ago, when Super Bowls were blowouts, no bad call would make any bit of a difference. These days you easily reverse the outcome of a game - and therefore a championship - by doing no more than reversing a single call.
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Not to call "conspiracy theory" but I do think that the NFL wants certain teams to win over other teams, especially in the playoffs. This year, I believe they really wanted the Ravens to win it all. We and the 49ers got screwed by the refs in my opinion.
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