A Wes-less Offense - Page 20 - New England Patriots Forums

DocHoliday · 01-30-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by satz

I read a few pages of this thread and cannot find one instance where is one is even talking about the OL.

when wes leaves the quick hitters that make brady release time drop to 2.3 second is GONE. the OL now has to protect him more ....i see not 1 guy talking about the cost to improve our OL to do this. Vollmer struggled a bunch in the ravens game...just make him hold his blocks an extra second. Even our LT had some rough outtings this year. brady releasing the ball fast with his connection with wes helped this 2 tackles the most.

I am shocked not 1 person is talking on the effect this will have on the OL. our tackles have to improve or we need to sign better ones .

Unpopular opinion but I always thought our Oline was the product of Brady and good coaching rather than talent. That is, so long as things are humming along its good but in terms of athletic ability and brute strength it's middle of the pack.

If Dante retired and Brady went out the O-line would be mediocre up the middle. Talentwise it's definitely not top 1/2 as it was rated.

manxman2601 · 01-30-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by satz

I read a few pages of this thread and cannot find one instance where is one is even talking about the OL.

when wes leaves the quick hitters that make brady release time drop to 2.3 second is GONE. the OL now has to protect him more ....i see not 1 guy talking about the cost to improve our OL to do this. Vollmer struggled a bunch in the ravens game...just make him hold his blocks an extra second. Even our LT had some rough outtings this year. brady releasing the ball fast with his connection with wes helped this 2 tackles the most.

I am shocked not 1 person is talking on the effect this will have on the OL. our tackles have to improve or we need to sign better ones .

Didn't make it as far a page two then

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Originally Posted by manxman2601

Losing Welker would also have an impact on the OL. The run game would become more of a mainstay rather than a wrinkle to take advantage of nickel defenses, we'd likely see more base defenses and Brady would need more time in the pocket. Uncertainty over Vollmer, Cannon's inexperience and two oft-injured 30+ Guards would indicate that we should be looking at upgrades there sooner rather than later.

***Deus Irae*** · 01-30-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by satz

I read a few pages of this thread and cannot find one instance where is one is even talking about the OL...

It was mentioned/discussed in a bunch of posts on the first page alone.

***mgteich*** · 01-30-2013, 04:56 PM

Is there anyone who wouldn't want Welker for one year for $7M? IMHO, the "real" issue is the effect on caps in future years.

We have much more cap flexibility this year than in the future.

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

No the discussion was 100% about 2013

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tonyto3690 · 01-30-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ivanvamp

No, not really...the conversation was much more involved than that, and you know it. What I was saying was that I would be okay with worsening the offense if it meant a corresponding improvement in the defense. And I gave the example if the offense lost 7 points a game but the defense improved by 7 points a game, I would be fine with that. Such a scenario would still keep NE in the elite group of offenses, but it would make them the #1 defense in the NFL in terms of points allowed.

This is exactly what I've been saying. I am the biggest Welker fan in the world but we're not talking about 23 year old Moss or some equivalent. We're talking about aging receiver with a lot of wear and tear on him.

People are quick to forget that you don't NEED a top 5 GOAT offense to win. I would much rather have a top 5 offense (of this year) along with a top 5 defense than a far and away #1 offense and a defense in the 20-10 range. It's of course not assured signing a guy instead of Welker on defense will make us top 5 but it's certainly a step forward in the right direction.

And as far as extremes go, I'd take an all time great defense over an all time great offense every day.